Podcast and Chill with MacG

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Welcome to Podcasts. 01:28 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 01:49 the petrol, that you just hard. I think you would survive and you would have like a cult. Yes. Like a low-key, people are following, people are worshiping. 01:58 Oh, yes. 02:00 What's y'all doing? Yes. No, not in that sense, but what's that famous one that we all used to watch, man? Back in the day, the zombie one, man, that had like a fucking million seasons, man. 02:10 I remember the show, but I forgot the name. That's the name, man. Walking Dead. I never watched it. 02:14 Walking Dead, you never watched it. But, you know, like... I love zombie apocalypse. Who? Me, I love zombie apocalypse things. 02:21 Yeah, Nate also. My boy Nate, he loves that shit, bro. I'm not too much of a fan, but I'm saying... 02:28 And going back to my point of many examples of this in the form of movies or series or whatever. 02:34 You know what I mean? We're kind of self-prophesying this thing towards the future. Because how far back have we been making movies about AI and predicting things to be where they're almost kind of looking like they're going right now? Sentinels and all that stuff. Superheroes, fictional. 02:50 Ah, the superhero change. I love that shit. You know what I think? 02:52 I think movies... for example, inspire reality. I think Elon Musk was inspired by watching Knight Rider. Iron Man. To make a self-driving car. As a kid, he saw it. And then when he grew up and had the access and ability. So I think it is that. Like it's... Life imitating art in a way. And then art. And some other programmer nigger saw some movies of AI and was like, no, I'm going to make a computer that thinks of itself. And he starts putting that together now. 03:21 Nah. Yeah, yeah. Imagination, eh? Yeah. Imagination brings reality. I agree with that. I kind of get that. Yeah. 03:28 Oh, yeah. By the way, listen, you know, you're Christian, eh? 03:34 Are you Christian, my bro? Shit, you know, these days I'll be wondering, man. Are you Christian? You know, these days I'm wondering again. And I told you the story about when I was 21 years old, right? Tell me again. I don't remember. And I called my mom and I was like, Jag, I think I want to be like Muslim. 03:50 Wait, are we going to be recording? Yeah. 03:53 What's wrong? 03:53 What would I laugh? And which point do we create? 03:58 Hey, Nicks, hello. It's the same space, bro. It's up and down a bit to the bathroom. No, that one's not. Please don't catch my walk on camera. 04:19 And that's why we don't like to do it, man. Keep it real. Dig your nose if you want to dig your nose. So are you Christian, my dog? 04:25 Oh yeah, and I was still telling the story that when I was 21 years old, I called my mom. I'm like, Mom, I think I want to be like, you know... 04:43 Muslim. 04:44 Like, I think I want to... And she didn't, yeah. And she didn't shout. She didn't say, what the fuck? 04:49 She said, okay, I'm going to come to Joburg. I'll be in Joburg in like a week, maybe two weeks. 04:54 When I come, let's sit down. Let's talk about it. Like, explain to me why. Yeah, where does this come from? 04:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 05:00 She came at the end of that conversation. I just realized, ah, dog, I'm just young and you're out. 05:06 I'm just looking for some shit. She didn't try and change your mind. Not at all. 05:09 She just made me realize that, dog, you're going to go through these ups. You're going to go through these downs. Right now, you're going through some shit, my dog. You know what I mean? Like, look wherever you want to look. 05:18 So to your question, yes, I do identify as a Christian. That's crazy. 05:23 That's funny. 05:25 I do identify as a Christian. But I question it in a healthy way. 05:31 more and more. Like, what does that mean? Like, what does that mean? 05:33 I believe in God and I'm more spiritual than I am religious. I know that. I'm way more spiritual than I'll ever be religious. 05:39 So is it not possible for you to practice something and not necessarily identify as it? 05:46 Yes, because I think sometimes you just grew up like that, right? That's what I think we're also having a conversation where I was asking you like, yo, at what point do you make the decisions about who you are? At what point? Because you get born into a Christian family or you get born into a Muslim family or you get born into a racist family. And then at some point it made sense to you. But then at what point do you become your own and then you start choosing and then you start, you know what I mean? 06:16 So it's very tricky. I've started asking those questions like, yo, am I this because I was raised in that? Yes, of course. That's part of it. But now that I'm this now, What the... You know what I mean? Can I invite you to my church on Sunday, bro? Amen. I don't know about that. 06:31 Say you're going to come to my church. 06:32 I haven't been to church since I left the house at 17 years old, bro. 06:36 I don't know. I go to Rema. Shout out to Rema. 06:40 Isn't that the worst one? 06:43 What do you mean by West 1? I've heard things, man. What do you hear? Tell us what you heard. Like, they have apps and shit to pay via app. Are you talking about modern churches? 06:52 Oh, but that isn't bad. Modern churches? No, but then that isn't bad. 06:56 So apps are bad. Methodist churches in the hood. Like, in the hood, my boy. 07:01 What? 07:02 Methodist churches. That's how I grew up. Like, Methodist churches. 07:04 Yeah, but they should also get apps. Uniform. 07:06 Yeah, they should actually. Go with the times, yeah? 07:07 Uniform. So I'm used to that. 07:09 Apart from the times, safety. 07:11 What do you mean? 07:12 No, like it's a safety concern. 07:15 Yes, yes, yes. What is a safety concern? 07:17 People coming in, jacking you. Guns and everything. 07:24 I'd like to encourage Kasi churches to actually start getting speed points up in there. 07:27 Shout out, bro. 07:28 This thing of Kasi is a serious safety. 07:31 I encourage that too. So what were you saying about what you said that it's the worst church because it has apps? Because you can't. 07:36 I've just heard many things like they've monetized the church-going experience. But what isn't monetized this day and age? What isn't monetized? This day and age. Everything is monetized this day and age, but where do you draw the line is my thing. You know what I mean? That's a good question. It's like, where do we draw the line? And that's why I mentioned how I grew up in the churches that I grew up in and the environment that it was. It was just like, whatever you can, if you can't. But now there's this air of, if you can't now... you might not be a good Christian. If you don't tithe, if you don't tithe 20%, you might not be as good of a Christian as you think you are. 08:12 That pressure... 20%. I've heard many stories. Many stories. Because I'm knowledgeable. 08:18 I grew up in the church. So I know the tithe thing has been... 08:22 Part of the, since Moses' days, like when you harvest 10% to God, it's not necessarily money. So as part of the practice of the religion, that's a non-negotiable. Oh, so you're Christian, yeah? Shagazulu's Christian. I grew up in the church. It's a non-negotiable. Are you Christian? Are you Christian? Shagazulu, are you Christian? 08:41 What kind of church is this? Because when you say non-negotiable, see, that's when I kind of... That's when I kind of created it. So what kind of church is this? It's based on the Bible. 08:49 No, no, but what kind of church? I want to know what church is this? So the churches I grew up in were the joyous celebration type churches. What churches are those? Born again. Born again. Born again. 09:00 Yeah, this happens and the music slaps. 09:03 Okay, all right. Okay, okay, okay. But in... 09:07 Why are you judging the born again? 09:09 This is so wild, yeah. Okay. 09:15 Are you Christian, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you Christian? Yeah. Okay. 09:19 So according to the Bible that I've read, it was part of it back in the Moses days for it being a non-negotiable. And that's like the word that spread. But it's not like... When, when, when, when it's spoken about in the church, the doors are locked and they're like, yo, till 10%, dog. Yeah. 09:36 It's not, you're not forced to it. I've heard, but what I'm saying is I've heard many stories. About niggas being forced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is there's nothing new under the sun, right? First of all, this is the earth. This is earth, dog. No, we're human. There's nothing new under the sun. I'm sure there are those. I mean, there's a church that worships fucking, I'm stale, dog. 09:55 You know what I'm saying? 09:57 Like, there's nothing new under the fucking You see when I saw that I was like, damn There's a church that worships Beyonce Did you know about that? No There's a church that worships Beyonce It makes fucking sense I'm sure there's a church that worships everything that you can imagine You know what I mean? Possibly, yeah But yeah, in some churches I feel like they do put more of a pressure on you than other churches even like some of the ministers some of the pastors they preach certain words that might be a little misogynistic in some churches versus other churches you know what I'm saying and the thing is again I haven't been to church since I left the house at 17 but you gotta find yours though exactly no no no maybe I don't have to find a damn thing no no not you I'm not talking about you okay I'm talking about you if you go 10:38 If you go to a, let's say, a church that's Pentecostal or Methodist, and you're like, I don't like the way they're preaching, then discern. I'm not supposed to be there because I don't like this. 10:48 Let me go look elsewhere. But you know how many people get... 10:52 hypnotized into whatever. And, you know, it goes back to, like, yeah, the cult thing. And it goes back to, like, the red pill. These toxic masculinity characters that have come up over the years who take advantage of, like, a young man's mindset. Like, to be a man, you have to have bitches. You have to have money. You gotta drive this car. So there's everything under the sun has been done, bro. You know what I mean? So there's a lot of people that... don't and will never have the discernment there's a lot of people that have good jobs guys good jobs went to school have multiple degrees but when their minister says something that yo you must do this god is saying this to you oh oh they're about to do whatever the fuck it is i feel it's like that with anything yes that's my point what you idolize yeah that's my point what's the word uh charisma i think we all we all submit to something um 11:47 in one way or another. 11:48 Whether we want to believe it or not. Yes. There'll always be something. 11:51 And I always say that I always appreciate people who are 100% firm in whatever they believe in. Yeah. 11:58 As opposed to those who are not. Like I always, for example, I always give people the example of I appreciate how Kabza always renews his pandas. 12:08 He stays strong. I really appreciate that. As a Christian, you know what I'm saying? 12:15 I'm Christian, but I can appreciate his belief in his faith and how strong he stands in that faith because as a Christian and somebody supposed to be as faithful, I'm not, you know? And I can only say that at least he knows what he's submitting to and he submits to it fully. And we also need to know what is it that I'm submitting to and submit fully to it. So if I'm saying I'm submitting to the leadership of Pastor Ray McCauley, for example, I need to do it wholeheartedly. 12:43 Ah, fuck that. Okay, let me tell you something. There's a series that I used to watch called Vikings. Have you ever watched Vikings? 12:49 I love Vikings, bro. 12:52 There's a scene in Vikings where they go and, what's the word when they attack places and take pillage? 12:59 Pillage, yeah. 12:59 Pillage, yeah. and the raping. Yeah, crazy things. So they go to Christian places and they attack and they take slaves and whatnot. But then they finally went far, like with Ragnar. They went far. They went and found, what is the culture that you spoke of now? 13:15 like Muhammad Ali was it also? A Muslim. Muslims, right? So they found Muslims. Didn't they find the Christians? They first found the Christians. 13:22 They went to France. Didn't they go to France and then find the Christians there in France? 13:25 Yeah, I see what you're saying. But they first found the Christians and then at the end of it, they ended up going and finding Muslims. Because they went out. They explored out. what actually changed one of the Viking gods, or not gods, but like kings. 13:39 Yeah. 13:39 He went in there to kill these guys. They were all in a room. They were all praying, bro. Their faith was so locked into what they were doing that when he killed the leader, another one got up and took that leader's place, and they carried on. And he killed that one, and another one got... And it kind of, like, spoke to him. Yeah. That faith of, like, no matter what we're facing, we're locked in on our belief, undoubtedly. You know what I'm saying? So I guess that's what you kind of... That's my chance. 14:05 Yeah, that's what you're speaking to. 14:06 But that's fucking dangerous. Nigga, how about you get up and run? And survive? That's what he expected. So what I'm saying is you get to the... 14:13 But that's the issue about faith, that you... It will lead you to those points where you have to choose, like... Choose wisely, nigga. Choose wisely. I need to run away. 14:25 But then also choosing to be on your knees or to run away. 14:29 I think both stand. 14:31 I think this is why they're going to kill me in the apocalypse because I'm not running. 14:36 But you might find that you survive. 14:38 If you kid smart, you don't have to run. You don't have to do shit. You just need to board some shit up. And Frank. You know what I mean? Just be smart. 14:47 Just work smart, dog. That's it. But there's also some people who could attribute it to religion, even though they weren't that religion. So I heard a story this Sunday, actually. I went to church and I actually went to the front for the first time in Johannesburg. 15:00 That's where you wanted to speak about charity. 15:02 Hey, that's where I was going with it. We started getting paid. 15:08 I'm letting you all know what my weekend looked like. I went to the front and I renewed and I was like, oh, look, I'm not Christian. 15:16 I'm not against people who identify as that. I just don't choose to put that title on myself. If you can look at my behavior and you say, that's what you are, that's your Daba. But I don't identify as that. I just practice the attributes that I believe lead me closer to God. Anyways, there's a story that was being shared about a person who was caught in war. This person was Muslim. However, they had a maid at some point who knew a Christian verse. I think it was Psalms 91, I think. And they just knew that verse. They kept on saying that verse during the war. 15:47 They broke into their house. They killed people. They took this person as a slave. This person kept on saying this verse. That's all they knew. Although they weren't Christian, they were Muslim in terms of what they believed in. But there's something about this verse. They kept on... Bro, nothing happened to this person. And when they came back from after, when they survived everything, they weren't raped. This girl wasn't raped. She wasn't attacked. She wasn't cut. Nothing happened to her at all. And she attributes it to the verse and to Christianity and to the faith. You get what I'm saying? So I think that's also a reality where you can lock into a, what's the word I'm looking for? 16:21 A practice and not necessarily identify as that thing. 16:32 Shot number one, guys. And yo, you better count these shots. There's too many times you guys don't put the shots on the screen. Nah, they do. They do. They do. Shout out to the editors, man. 16:40 We love you guys. You guys are chilling. 16:42 Especially when the shot doesn't happen on screen. Nigga, I'll have it like this. And then they'll cut to be you. When it cuts back to me, the shots are gone. Honestly, I took it. The shot counter didn't go off, nigga. You took the shot. Yeah, I get that. You get what I'm saying? 16:55 But I think I'm lucky because both my parents were ministers and then eventually bishops and that whole shit. But my parents, like, they literally... 17:05 At home, they were parents. They were like, take this Bible, throw this thing aside, my guy. This is real life. You know what I mean? First of all, you're an African. This is how it happened back in the day. Fuck this book. The Bible says a lot of things about a lot of things that I don't agree with. And I'm not going to submit just because it's in a book that at any point in time could have been manipulated in any type of way. And it was manipulated quite a few times. Let's not, you know, beat around the bush about it. So I'm thankful that at the same time... History was manipulated. I grew up with parents that were warriors for God, dog. 17:39 Like warriors, their whole lives were dedicated. I knew that my parents on a Saturday, it's a funeral. For my whole time, I've known them. Every Saturday, they're at a funeral. Every Sunday, they're preaching at church. They're doing something with the writing books and releasing books and on... 17:59 on this topic you know they were doctors they had doctor degrees in theology and and and they went in they went hard and that's the only reason why i was born in the states because they took it there you know so i'm glad that they were able to teach me real spirituality and not just a book yeah and this is how the book says we must do it you know the book says a lot of things about gay people i don't agree Fuck that shit. My guard doesn't operate like that. The guard that I know, the guard that I have a relationship with, would never do that. 18:33 Would never say that. Doesn't think like that. You know what I mean? But then there's some things where I can be like, yeah, that shit makes sense. You know, maybe I shouldn't eat shrimp. 18:42 Because they're scavengers. 18:44 And maybe I shouldn't, you know, because there's research now behind like, you know, what some of these things, you know? 18:49 I had bacon yesterday. 18:50 I was like, fuck, man. You'd never let that thing go. Beef ribs. Beef ribs are cool. 19:09 For me, for me. You see what the Bible says about it? But niggas, when it comes to food, niggas can skate on it. I ain't gonna lie, bro. 19:15 For me, nothing slaps more than broccoli, bro. Broccoli for me, dog. That's the it. Is it in the Bible? Jesus is like, yo, if you eat this broccoli, hit that crap. 19:24 Forget about food. It's because I'm vegan, yeah. 19:28 Are you vegan? I'm vegan, my bro. 19:30 Sorry. 19:34 Hey, man, it's an alternative lifestyle. 19:36 When did you decide? 19:39 Eight years now. 19:40 Okay. 19:41 It's been eight years, yes. You don't have any like anemia issues? No, nothing so far. Thank God for that. I know a lot of friends who stopped eating meat and their bodies kind of, you know what I mean? Especially when they go back, the meat starts being poisoned. You start being sensitive to a lot of things. You start seeing your deficiencies much clearer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we all have deficiencies. 20:00 Your rider must be difficult to the shisanyamu. 20:02 So even now, my rider is... Do you even go to shisanyamu stock? No, I haven't seen it long. Wait, hold on. I actually was. I was at a Bride this weekend. I was at a Bride watching the All Blacks versus... Ah, but that's different. A Bride is different. No, but there's still a technical kind of like a rider. Like the people, they didn't know what to do with me, bro. They're like, okay, well, chakalaka awards and the box are winning here. Chakalaka with rules. You know what I mean? 20:33 Yeah. 20:34 Letters. Sweet corn, green salad at the price. 20:39 Yeah, but even that's a bit tricky. Wait, I want to ask one thing. My sister was vegetarian for a while. I hate vegetarians that eat... Vegan and vegetarian is not the same thing. 20:47 No, but they're cousins. They're cousins. 20:49 They're pretty close. They're cousins. I hate vegetarians that eat fake meat. They come to brides and then you get... Why do you hate... That's a strong word. It's weird, dog. If you gave up a thing, why are you getting a thing that's almost like a thing? 21:01 That's like saying, oh, you're lesbian, why are you using a dildo? 21:03 Like you're finding yourself brine soy sauce. 21:04 Yeah, why? That's literally the same question you're asking. And I'm asking it back. 21:09 Why do you use a dildo? Right? I'm curious, rather. I don't know. 21:14 I think it's a replacement, no? 21:16 With a very, like, almost the exact same thing. Yeah, without the animal cruelty, without the human or the man being attached to it, if you're talking about the dildo, if you're a lesbian. You know, I think that's how I see it. Okay, I see it differently. Speak your mind. 21:33 How do you see it? No, bro. Okay, for example, animal cruelty... Do you think that chicken was going to make it in Kruger National? We had a conversation outside. That's a good question. There's predators, there's prey, it's life. 21:44 You understand what I'm saying? But then also their perspective would then be, it wouldn't then be a business where it's mass, how can I put it? So we must go hunt now. Mass slaughter, controlled murder and feeding them all sorts of drugs in order to keep them... 22:03 See, the funny part is, that's what I actually believe that I more am like. Like, I'm practicing being a vegan, but I think it'll get to a point where I don't mind eating meat as long as I raised it and killed it myself. Because I believe that's the African way. 22:15 Nakoma. 22:19 What's wrong now? 22:20 What time? What time are we doing this slaughtering? We finished recording the podcast at 6 o'clock. 22:26 We are hungry. 22:28 We must first slaughter. We must first slaughter peacefully. We must first thrash his head. It's time to go now. 22:38 What time are we going to eat? 22:41 We are going to be hungry. Before we introduce the show, can I get to some fucking smoke? 22:47 Hey, man, why are you flipping the switch on us, bro? 22:50 Why are you starting with the smoke now? This is all the smoke, dog. 22:54 Thank you, Mohaw. 22:56 It's not my smoke, but I'm just saying, can we get to some smoke? And I think it's funny because I was watching it today, and Mohaw mentioned it to me like a couple of days ago, but I didn't really understand. Then I was watching a clip today of, you know, this female podcast that we're always talking about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Man Haters. 23:13 You call him man-hater. Yeah, the man-haters. I mean, she literally said... She hates man-hater. It's what? She said it's a... 23:20 It's what? Either a girl child or abortion. Something like that. Wait, wait, wait. Who's this? What's her name? The girl that got fired. I just said that. The girl that got fired. So we don't even know her name. Yeah, I don't know. What's her name, huh? 23:31 Yeah, yeah. So I find it... And the reason why I'm bringing it up, right? Because I don't care about the news itself. But, you know, what it's attached to for me is the bigger thing. It's like... 23:45 And the reason that she was fired apparently is because she got to work. Well, she doesn't understand why she got fired, but she knows that she came to work drunk, right? Cool, whatever. 23:55 My thing is, right, especially when it comes to podcasts, especially podcasts that like it when you say wild shit, you know? They like it when you have wild views. They like it when you jump out the box. Yeah. 24:08 They like it like me when I can say wild shit and I can throw these words around. I'm not that wild, but they like a character like that, right? 24:17 And then when you actually show up to work as that character, it gets you into trouble. 24:22 And now, you know what I mean? 24:23 So you must be professional and also wild. 24:25 Yeah, it's kind of like, I mean, Swiso, right? Swiso showed up to work drunk, but he did his job. You know what I mean? He did his job drunk. And I guess, and for me, I'm saying as podcasters, I would like to think, guys, we have that leeway. Ah. 24:41 Because it's a casual convo. 24:42 We have the new way to come to work drunk and talk shit. 24:44 Because we ain't talk shit, dog. As long as we arrive to work, dog. You have to draw the line somewhere, no? Where do we draw the line, dog? That's the question. 24:50 That's the wisdom. Because... That wisdom. 24:54 If you really hate niggas that much, don't ever drive on a Todd Road that was built by men again. 25:02 Don't stand in buildings that were built by men. Yeah, but that's not what she got fired for. 25:07 I'm arguing against that view. 25:10 We already argued against that view. I'm saying it's funny that someone with such a wild mouth and such wild views can come to work and be wild and they're like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. This is like, this is... This is too wild. And for me, it's like, dog, that looked funny. When I saw the footage, you got a clip of it? 25:30 No, no, no. No, no. 25:36 I actually think it'll be good for you. Like, all of us in jail. Dude, you go, you do? No, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. 25:45 Yes. 25:46 The most stained one. No, no. No, no, no. It's hard to say it like that. I'm just saying it to all of us. Like you'll enjoy it. Like you need peace away from the city. That's what I'll say. 25:57 Not fighting. I promise you. You need to see a bit of lions. 26:01 And Sima's drunk as well, by the way. Really. But Sima didn't get fired. 26:10 Oh, and she got fired after that. Yeah, so there's another video, the one that I was watching on YouTube today when I hit you up in the group. And then there was three. Yeah, yeah. And when I saw, she was replying to the comments on this video. I don't know which video, but she herself was replying to the comments saying, yeah, I got fired. What happened? I went from the club. 26:29 to breakfast to the set and some shit happened on set as well and they decided to fire me alone Seymour is also you know drunk but they decided to get rid of me alone she didn't go into exactly why and that's another story but I my point is this man and I feel like this network gets it that's why Sviso can go to work drunk and still put on a entertaining episode You know what I mean? 26:59 Why are you putting on an entertaining episode? 27:01 Yeah, I laughed. I laughed. I laughed. Dog, it's like the Tandeka episode with Read the Room. 27:07 Okay. 27:07 You get what I'm saying? It's drama. 27:10 At some point in time, it might not be good to watch, but you're watching it because of the drama that you know, that you heard about. You heard that, yo, there's drama. When you heard Swiso was drunk on music pals, you're like, oh, I got to watch that episode. Wow. Right? And I'm not saying... 27:25 I'm not saying him showing up to drunk is the thing he should do, but I'm saying it's, let's not be holier than thou when you have created an environment where people can come and be themselves and then you champion it in certain instances when they're talking about males can be aborted. 27:43 Because that's a wild statement. 27:44 That's so wild. You know what I mean? 27:45 But they showed up to work after the club drank. They still showed up and did their work. 27:50 And then you fire them. I don't understand. Maybe there's some... I'm just saying that. There's got to be more to the story. Yeah, there's got to be more. It's a bit funny to me, man. 27:57 One, I think there's more to the story. But two, I think... Podcasting is also in a tricky place right now because of the growth of podcasts. 28:08 And now there's a decision that needs to be taken. And that decision mainly rely on are we chasing the coins or are we podcasting? 28:18 Are we saying something? 28:19 Yeah, you understand. So now many, many, many producers, for example, and I think why this network can run the way it runs is because it's been running for long enough where MacG knows... True and false, you understand? But with others, they're still chasing the idea of, do we want to be corporate sexy or corporate appealing? 28:38 That's a dope perspective. That's a good perspective. 28:41 So that is why now people get fired left, right, and center because they are thinking about, no, but then what if SABC calls and then they're going to be like, no, but we can't have these guys because of the way they speak and what, what, what, what, what. Whereas on this network, this network has passed all of that. It has passed all... You think so? 28:55 Yeah. 28:56 by far like you can sit down with Mac G and then he'll tell you that dog you can say whatever you want to say I don't actually like if they come yes we'll gladly accept them but we're not going to chase them for the sake of chasing them and I'm not going to stop you from being you because of imagine now we're forcing Nota to bath just because we want to we've lost the host we've lost the host we've lost the host already like gone now I understand yeah so podcasts are in that place and apart from being in that place you guys are now the the ultimate if I can say superstars 29:38 How so? What do you mean? As podcasters. As podcasters. 29:41 Because podcasters are being seen every week and that's how fame actually grows. Yeah. You guys are now what we can call the new Amapiano stars. 29:50 Wow. Podcasts are the new Amapiano stars. Yes, that's why they're being booked for. 29:53 First of all, I was a hip-hop star. Shout out. Shout out. So they're getting booked for appearances, you know? Yeah. So you'd find that now your gig guide is also growing. Yeah. Appearances now on a Sunday night or a Saturday night, you're invited to this party, that party, that party, but you're recording Sunday morning. You live in that party. 30:10 Or you're talking about the lifestyle that this girl lives now. It's almost that. 30:15 It gets there. It gets there. And it's at a point where, because this thing hasn't grown enough, where it can stand on its own two legs and there are rules and ways of operating. That is why now you'd find that a person is saying, I'm coming straight from the club to come and record because of the freedom it has. Until such a level where it grows and then it reaches that stage where podcasts are saying, no, guys, we can't do this. Or we can actually do this. So it will reach that point where the decision will be taken. But for now, it's still in its wild stage. It's still in its early superstar days. 30:46 So that's why we'll see whatever it is that we are seeing. 30:50 Can I add something? I think having a censored version of yourself is always important. We all go to the toilet, but I can't now. I already do it. You can't say right now. Your chance, how long are we recording? But there's a culture of people that are now starting to do that more. I'm big, but what I'm saying is just as a general society, we need to also now... Streamers. 31:11 Yeah, for me, like... 31:14 Yeah, streamers are a bit wild. I personally don't drink, so I don't want to sound as that nigga that's not drinking. You don't drink? No, not at all. Not telling people not to drink, but being drunk at work, come on, guys. 31:25 I'm not going to judge you. Don't let me judge you. 31:30 Listen, listen. Guys, listen. 31:31 Podcasting. 31:34 To one of the points that you made, I was speaking to Magique about a week ago and I asked him straight up. I said, bro, like, I'm sure you've had, you know, some brands leave you over some of the shit that you've said and some of the controversies that you have had. He's like, you know what, bro? 31:51 Never. 31:52 And I'm like, shit? 31:54 Really? He's like, never, brother. He's like, yo, and I'm sure a lot of people think that way. They probably think that when they see like, oh, okay, McG doesn't have the sponsor on his show anymore. They're like, oh, they left. No nigga, the contract was just up, bro. And they probably couldn't handle... 32:11 It does still happen indirectly, like a soul getting fired from a radio station. But it happens on the other end. That's radio. That's radio. That's broadcast. But that's because of the momentum that they've built and how far. They're like the pole bearers. 32:25 No, I don't think you're understanding here. Maybe I'm not. I'm talking about the difference in environments. And I'm saying podcasting is a very unique environment in that you ask people to arrive as themselves. 32:35 It's not a YFM where you can get fired because you might have not read a spot or you might have queued something wrong or you might have sworn twice this month on air or even came to work drunk. You can't even drink there. But on podcast, there's liquor on air. That's part of the entertainment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's not act like this is not what it is. And then on a day that we choose. And then going back to my G's thing. A lot of people, like you said, a lot of podcasts are trying to find their feet right now. 33:07 Trying to be that sexy. 33:09 If that's what you want to do, then be that. Like 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 33:12 100% be that. That's your brand because that's what you love doing, right? But you're already on a podcast that's talking about aborting male children. So you should expect less. I can't think you're going to call yourself a classy podcast after that, my nigga, right? So if you're not going to raise hell about that and then the girl arrives from the club to come do her work because there's also girl chats. You know, we lit. 33:36 Then, you know, like, come on, dog. You know, you get what I'm saying, dog? It's different. This is not YFM. This is not like, and shout out YFM, we love you. But it's a different medium. You know what I mean? It's different, dog. It's broadcast, you know? 33:48 But can you also be a slave to freedom? 33:51 Yo, you'd have to explain that one. 33:53 Slave to freedom. Slave to freedom. Slave to freedom. 33:59 So you know how you become a slave to convenience? 34:02 Do you get what I'm saying when I say slave to convenience? Yeah, like Uber eats every day. Yeah, every day. So now the freedom that you now have is now almost enslaving you in a sense. So the opposite of that is I heard Serena Williams say that a disciplined person, that's their freedom. I do all this in terms of my discipline so I can actually be free. Can you have the flip side of that where your freedom is actually now your vice? It's what's keeping you a slave and limited to it. 34:28 I think it's true with some people. I mean, once there's a certain expectation, like if you were the drunk guy all the time. Now I have to always pull up as the drunk guy. 34:38 You have to be funny all the time. You know what I'm saying? 34:40 So it happens. It does happen. But whether it's right or wrong, I don't know. 34:45 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let people be themselves. Anyway, before we get too far, welcome to another episode of All The Smoke. We're always here, Friday 8pm. You know what time it is. Biyu, do you want to do the honours? The name is Lutando Biyu. 35:01 Welcome to the show where the hosts are the goats, where words get spoke, foot meets throat, and chokers choke, because Nata says so. 35:08 That's a nice one. 35:12 And my co-host is... You know what's crazy? 35:15 If every week, if this was like a SNL skit show, and every week he changed the last line according to something that happened this week, oh, that would be... Yeah, that'd be dope. Get in your writer bag, you know what I mean? Anyway, you know what it is. Keep it very simple. Anyway, boys, for those that don't know who you are, please introduce yourself. 35:40 That's all, okay? 35:42 Cheers, my brother. Come on, wait. 35:45 Come on, wait. 36:02 Yo bro, has anyone ever body shamed you before? 36:04 Yeah, dog, it's my life. What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course. 36:09 It's my life. So do you think that body shaming is someone calling you what you are? So if you're tall and I say you're tall, if you're skinny and I say you're fat, do you feel like it's... 36:18 It's only body shaming when you want to be shameful about it. When you want to shame me about it, that's... 36:24 So the goal is shame. That's the motive behind it. 36:27 When you want to... 36:28 When the intent is to shame. 36:31 Like, you see, you see when somebody calls you, they are body shaming you. They're trying to. No, they're not trying. They're body shaming you. I can agree. Yeah. 36:48 I get body shamed all the time, bro. But I'm used to it now. It's part of my lifestyle. I was actually looking at some of my clips online. I was like, my clips that are actually doing well, it's where they are body shaming me. 37:01 Wow. That you are a part of these clips yourself? 37:04 No, like my own clips that are doing well online. It's where the comments, they are body shaming. Oh, shit. The comments. Those are those that are moving. 37:11 Do you feel like now that's a partner, not just your identity, but like your... you're, hey, I don't know if I can, you know how people say one trick pony, as like a part of you now, almost like what built you to being here, to being a comedian. Have you always been fat? Has that added to you being a comedian and all that? 37:27 Yes, because I've been, my jokes have always been self-deprecating jokes. 37:31 Okay, so you focus on you. 37:33 Have you been fat? 37:34 It's a crazy question. I saw that. 37:37 You literally gave the leeway before, yeah. Podcast, say whatever. It's like, we free, we free. We free, it's like, oh damn, hold on, hold on. 37:44 It's like, we can't say that. I thought you gave him a license, now he's wild. No shame. 37:50 Because I'm not trying to shame him, I'm trying to... Because he was rigging in my head. 37:54 I'm just sitting here calculating it. I'm like, what's that? 38:01 but I mean how would you say like what would you say you are would you say you're a comedian would you say that you're a content creator would you say you're an actor I'm a comedian everything else follows everything else follows the one that's at the bottom of the list is actor have you done any acting though no horrible Because I know you and Kapoor are like this and Kapoor is now in his acting bag. And he's skinny now. 38:24 He used to be fat. Kapoor. Yeah. I would say Kapoor was chubby. I wouldn't say fat. Was chubby. And he was pushing that everywhere on socials. 38:30 He was fat and then... No. He was fat and then I became his friend. 38:36 Oh, okay. And then I became the fat one. 38:40 He became chubby. That's when people are like, I'm in Kapoor. He's not fat, yes? 38:43 He's not that bad. 38:46 Or in comparison. 38:48 He's not that bad. He's not that bad. That's funny. You know, he's not that bad. And you know, part of the reason why I ask is, you know, there's this thing about how AI is really taking over And it's been taken over, right? But now, do we have that clip set up? Which clip? But now, it's more of a thing of, like, yo, as content creators, as actors, as musicians, like, these roles have really been taken over by AI. But now, it's really taking over the influencer space in a... 39:24 in a really bad way. And I mean, there's websites like Hicksfield. There's a couple other ones, but there are these really intricate AI websites where you can make UGC content as a person, build your own avatar, maybe use your voice even, and then have them sit in certain places and do certain things. Please play this clip. 39:47 Air is coming after everything. 39:49 It's crazy. I've seen it all. 39:51 Oh, I've seen this. Anything yet. Okay. You've heard people say AI influencers are going to be everywhere on social media. And this is the reason right here, because you cannot tell that this is an AI. Okay. Let me do one even better. So let's say I want to, let's say I want to sell a cologne product. Okay. All I have to do. is change into somebody that looks like there's someone that sells cologne. I just seen a Gary Vee video where he talks about- Why does that nigga look like he sells cologne? Yeah, just a random guy. That's a buddy. Fake people, AI people, are gonna be some of the biggest influencers in the world. 40:23 Yeah, true. It's already happening. Regular people like me, like you, can portray whatever you want on social media now. Is this a good thing? Who knows? Probably not. But this is the future. This is the reality. You can't really do anything about it. The only thing you can do is try to learn it as fast as humanly possible. Because in the next six to 12 months, Anything you see online, any video you see could potentially be fake. 40:43 That's crazy. Yeah, it's really crazy. 40:46 It's really crazy. 40:47 Let me tell you guys something. I think in COVID, when was COVID? 2020? 2020. Yeah, yeah. 40:54 There was a huge takeover of content creators, but they didn't take over only on content creation, they took over in the comedy space as well. So much so that when COVID started coming to an end, we saw content creators even taking our serious jobs that we care the most about. Example, corporates. 41:16 Absa, I'm available this year. And what happened in the comedy space, a lot of comedians started becoming scared and nervous. This thing is also happening in your guys' space of acting where they've now started taking people who have numbers over actors. True, true. But all of these things, they all go back to one, adapting. 41:43 And two, staying firm in what you are doing. Yeah. Because sooner or later, it will then come to pass that, man, you know what? What we're dealing with here is nonsense. A lot of companies came back to comedians to say, hey, you know what? Hey, man, we had Sekho last week. But ech, man, ech. 42:00 Yeah, man. 42:02 I only find you on the phone. 42:03 It's fashion. Yeah, it's fashion. You know what I'm saying? 42:06 Yeah, it comes back to the real stuff. Even now, when we see talented actors on screen, we begin to appreciate now. Like, you know, after watching Adulting, when we moved on from you, and then we saw real acting, we're like, yeah. 42:20 Yes, yes, yes. 42:23 This is the real stuff. 42:25 Yo, yo, yo, yo, when last, man? 42:28 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 42:34 Man, that's all I must want to be done. I've been hypnotized this whole time. Slept out of that shit. Like, what the fuck was that, nigga? It's brilliant, man. 42:44 I agree with you in a sense. That's a point. I agree with you because I welcome it. I'm like, all right, pull up, though, because people think it's easier than what it is. It's like, you know, that whole AI thing with the music thing that happened. I don't want to mention it. Credo V? Okay, he said it. Yeah, no, we've been talking about it. 42:56 Oh, guys, this Calvin Fallo? 42:58 What do you think? This Calvin Fallo character? 43:01 What's that? You think it's AI? Yeah. 43:04 I think it's assisted AI. 43:05 You think it's assisted AI? Yeah. 43:07 People are finding ways to tweak it and make it. Yeah, but I think, I think it's not what we, what AI was supposed to be, essentially, an assistance of some sort. 43:17 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're using it right. 43:19 Yeah, he's always been a producer. 43:21 Follow. I don't know. I'm telling you. 43:23 No, I'm not asking you. We digress. I'm saying it's fine. 43:30 But then there comes the moment where it must be done. You know what I'm saying? And then when it comes to the time for you to do the things that must be done, if you don't have the depth and the skill set, You're exposed and it will always show. Let the influencers come to set. I've seen many. I love that so much about stand-up comedy. 43:51 That's what I appreciate about stand-up is that stand-up is not like all these other things. Stand-up is immediate. 43:56 Oh yeah, yeah. There's no time. You see now. 43:59 Acting, you'll find out maybe at the end of the season. Then somebody will finally be like, I've been watching this guy for eight episodes. Actually, he sucks. But with stand-up comedy, you'll feel now that you're... This is dry. And especially on line-up shows. You can get away with it on your own. Maybe one-man show where it's just you. And people came to watch you specifically. But on a line-up show, when you're now dealing with heavyweights, like... Not that funny. 44:31 Our audiences are seasoned, bro. They're consumers. The reason why somebody will come at 7 o'clock to watch a comedy show is because they love comedy. So I know what comedy is. Same thing with music, same thing with acting. You think people just pay for DSTV because of my son? No, every month they are sacrificing. So he knows what he's watching. 44:50 I'll play devil's advocates and say, I'll play devil's advocates. 44:56 So I'm not taking away from your point. You've got a point, 100%. But I think there's also the crowd. There's the connoisseurs who actually know with this guy. There's something that maybe no one has seen even before you blow up. And there's people who will wait, who just go with the crowd. The trends, whatever the trend is doing, they'll also go that way. So when the, what is it you said, the content creators were going to your space, there were the audience there. 45:23 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 45:23 Initially. Yes. Until time came. Actually, if you noticed, this is not the one. That's what I think. 45:35 So we'll be fine, guys. 45:36 Don't worry. 45:36 You're not scared at all. 45:38 I think comedians will be fine because like you said, it's immediate. I don't see AI being funny because it's that thing. AI can be hilarious, brother. Have you tested it? Have you tried it? No, but what I'm saying is that's why you don't see a lot of it. 45:50 That's why you don't see a lot of it, right? 45:52 You don't see a lot of it because... 45:54 Man, being a comedian and being a real one that people connect with is something, like you said, it's immediate. It's either you're funny or you're not. You can't prompt. Well, maybe you can be very good at prompting jokes. But there's that thing. You know what I mean? There's that thing. You can probably tell more than an action character that was created with AI. You would probably be able to tell that this comedian was AI prompted sooner than the action character. 46:20 character i don't think anybody's safe i think ai i don't think anyone's safe but i think definitely everybody's safe the first question whenever anybody watches a movie or i speak about odyssey odyssey's on what's the first thing you ask me who's in it who to ai no people we are human beings on the receiving end and the thing that we love connecting to is the story for example tom holland people have been following tom holland since he was a kid beginning That's part of the reason why they loved him in Spider-Man, love him in Odyssey, and they're watching the movie for him. 46:52 There's people that go to the cinema for Will Smith. 46:57 And we can track this person's journey. Will Smith, same thing. I saw you as the Fresh Prince. You were the rapping nigger. Now you're this acting nigger, superstar. I follow all your things. I'm invested in your journey. AI hasn't got a journey. But that's a thing. 47:09 You're assuming that it can never have a journey or start a journey. 47:12 The consumers are human beings. We connect to the person. We connect to the story. To the story, right? We connect to you. We connect to your growth. 47:20 I think the bigger danger with AI... I think you're right. I agree with you. I hear what you're saying, but I agree with you. But I think the bigger danger with AI is not necessarily maybe the actors or the main guy. I think it's the supporting... the supporting roles, right? It's the CGI, the CGI artists. The CGI artists are being pushed out because AI can do it. You get what I'm saying? The animators are now being... Why do you say that? 47:43 Because those skills are... 47:47 As much as they do have a human element, but it's so computer-reliant that, for example, animation is a bit safer, especially hand-drawn stuff like your... A certain style of animation. Yeah, like your old-school anime-type vibes. New Pixar-type things are a little bit in danger. I think VFX guys and all those kind of things are in danger. Those guys are in danger. In terms of mass production... 48:08 But you said everyone is safe. 48:09 Now you're saying they're in danger. No, I was speaking as a performer. That's what I said. 48:13 But Biu's not listening. That's the thing. Biu's not listening. I'm not comprehending you. 48:18 No, you're not listening to what both people are saying because I shifted it to, yo, yes, actors are safe, but the guys behind, the CGI artists, the guys supporting you guys. 48:30 How did you play school, dog? Yeah, what? You sound smart. 48:35 Yeah! Yeah! 48:37 So why would you assume that I sound smart but didn't finish school? 48:39 Because you said you left home when you were 17, so I'm thinking... Yeah, I graduated at 17, bro. You're super smart. Why did you graduate at 17? Metric? Yeah. 48:48 No, it's from America, so you graduate in the States. Oh, yeah, I didn't graduate in the States. 48:53 Yeah, I didn't graduate in the States. 48:56 Okay, what I'm trying to get to is that I feel like somebody was supposed to be sitting in university for like 10 years. 49:04 I could have. I dropped out of college three times. University, architecture, business, marketing, and then sound engineering. I also dropped out. I was like, fuck this. 49:14 I was too much of a hustler. 49:15 I was actually like, I was too much in the streets. I'm not going to lie. I was too much of a hustler. I was actually doing shit. Practically. Missing exams. I'm like, yo, why are we doing this? So you're talking about Tejo again. What were you saying, bro? This guy ain't talking about me, bro. What were you saying, bro? 49:31 I even forgot. 49:32 He was saying, he was saying what we were trying to catch your slow ass up about is the guys supporting... He wasn't saying anything, we were catching you up. We were catching you up. 49:39 And that's what made me think that... Oh, he's smart. He's smart over here, because I was thinking about this entire podcast. He was saying that no man... The smart one in this podcast is... Hence why I was asking, why did he drop out of school? 49:50 That's why he doesn't like listening to me, because it reminds him that, damn it... 49:53 You're talking about dropping out. 49:55 So you were saying, what I wasn't comprehending was the fact that you were saying the people in the back, they're going to lose their... 50:02 I was saying technical, so the people with technical skills are in a bit more trouble than us with performative stuff. Because our skills are more about human emotion and theirs are about technical execution. 50:16 Not that you can't emote the way you like, you can obviously. I saw a whole AI movie with emotions and everything. 50:22 Okay. He's right. 50:24 And who's doing the autographs? No, he's right. Getting the fans excited. That's a few months. That's massive. What do you mean? 50:31 Wait, are you telling me you watched that movie and you were like fully convicted? 50:35 No, I never watched the movie, but I know the movie. 50:37 No, because I watch those scenes in like 10 seconds and I'm like... 50:42 But B is right, right? There's a market for everything. But at the same time, you're missing what he's saying. He's saying that sometimes when you see a movie, you immediately ask who's in the movie. The human touch. And then that's what attracts you to it. You haven't seen the performance at all. But you heard, oh, Angelina Jolie. Oh, she's back. Oh, I've got to go see this one. But with the AI character, we haven't gotten there yet. And you're saying... To hear him that you don't know yet. 51:08 We could actually get there. 51:10 Even if we get there. One day. How are they coming to Comic-Con to see me? 51:14 We'll figure it out when we get there. 51:15 That's what he's saying. We'll figure it out. 51:17 Can I make it realistic? Can I make it realistic? So there are two bands that I like and we've never met the people who make the music. Dove Punk, Gorillaz. 51:26 Yeah. 51:26 We've never seen them. 51:29 But we've never met them as a band. If it was AI, what would be the difference? 51:34 What happens at their concerts and stadiums? 51:37 What happens at their concerts and stadiums? So you're telling me they're AI artists, they're going to book F&B stadium and they're going to play a young screen and we're there. 51:45 It's possible. Your imagination needs to open it up. 51:48 I want to see Chris Brown flying over. 51:52 I learned that shit I'm an outfit guy for, dog. Thousand randi. 51:56 For the AI. Bye, bro. 51:59 For the AI. 52:00 I'd hate to see AI Shagazulu. 52:04 But he can eat, though. He can be tough. That's the thing. 52:07 You never know. I need to know that I know him. Like, sit in a podcast with him and chat. Now, imagine... 52:15 But here's the thing with me. I don't feel sorry for the technical guys, like you were saying, right? Like, we were both saying, like, the technical guys. Throughout history, if you look through history... 52:25 The technical guys have always been shoved out at some point in time. At some point in time, cars were being made by hand. 52:34 At factories. People were putting shit together with their hands. And then it became too much. 52:40 Too risky. This human error for something that people drive. And you know what I'm saying? 52:46 And then machines will be much more efficient, faster. You know what I mean? More reliable. 52:52 Everyone agrees. Yeah, give the machine that job. Right? And then it's good. And then it's good then. You know what I mean? So throughout the history, machines have helped us do jobs better. 53:01 And unfortunately, the people that have done those jobs by hand have always been the first to get... And you know what? 53:07 But also, it comes back to the whole discussion of adapting and adapting quick. Adapt or die. This is what I was saying late last year when AI started taking over. I was telling people that you know what I hate the most is that deep down, I really want to defend graphic designers. But now I defend Egi because everybody who works with graphic designers in one way or another is frustrated because you commission this man on Monday, Wednesday, you can't get a hold of him, but your event is Friday. 53:33 So that's the human element, the con of it. Yes. 53:38 As much as I'm like, I want to defend these guys, I really want to defend my brrrrush because of these AI posters. But I can understand the club owner who goes for an AI poster because all he needs to do is say, put piyutse kwa wuti lolo le wang on one poster quickly. And it's done. 53:50 You know what I hate, though, when I see an advert of a big established company like your banks and it's AI, I can just tell it's AI. It makes me like if I if I see computer, if I get a call from a computer thing trying to sell me something, I immediately detach. If I see a billboard or something, I just immediately detach. I don't know if it's the same for anybody else. But for me, it's like something is off. 54:11 Now you're proving his point. 54:13 now you're proving his point I was playing devil's advocate but again that's the point that he was proving that humans have this innate ability we were just born with it like our eyes our ears we can just tell when something is off it's too perfect man something is yeah we can just tell when something is not really you know what I mean it's not matching up and then you disconnect because you know that you're not dealing with something that's human like you you get what I'm saying Explain the smoky bowl, bro. 54:39 Let's do a round of the smoky bowl. I feel like we need to get smoky in this bitch. 54:42 Explain it, bro. They don't know what the rules are, man. Rule, but I mean... No, no, you're drinking, eh? Yeah. Okay, cool. So if you don't want to answer the question, you take a shot. It's that simple. Oh, also, if there's a name in the beginning of the question, then the question is for that person. If there's no name in the beginning of the question, then it's for you. 54:59 Oh, this is a good one. Can I start? Yeah, go ahead. Okay, this question is Sulemo. 55:04 If you are typecast, which character do you not mind playing for the rest of your career? 55:11 If I was typecast. That's a good question. That's a freaking good question. I, that's very, I don't know. I don't know if I'd enjoy playing any type of character, no matter how dope for the rest of my life. You're going to have to take a shot. 55:21 Because you don't drink, dog. I play Jesus for the rest of my life. You play Jesus? 55:27 I know, I play Jesus the whole time. 55:31 But don't you look at people who are typecast sometimes and actually say, it can work. There can be different lanes. 55:36 No, it definitely can. It's just not interesting for me. For me, that's why... I've structured my career in a sense that I appear on camera and then I disappear for a long time. And people are like, what's this nigga? What's he doing? And then I come back with something. Because I want to work on the stuff that interests me. And I like working on, I don't know, the guy who I would love to model my career behind is like a Gary Oldman, who you never see do the same thing. 56:00 I don't hope they can see. 56:07 We put a picture up now. 56:09 But even when you see that picture, he disappears into his role so much, he really appears as himself. It's like a Daniel Day-Lewis also. 56:20 Not every actor has to be a chameleon. But you're choosing, this is the lane that I'm in. 56:27 It just interests me more because I'm interested, the thing that got me into the thing was telling human stories and I was also undecided like this man over here in terms of profession of, okay, this week is architecture and then you leave it and then accounting. 56:40 So I was like, okay, what job can I find where I can explore all these different things? 56:44 Not into too much detail. As soon as I'm bored, I can move on. I've learned how to shoot guns, fly planes, drive, you know what I mean? From old, just this thing. Now I had to be a king. Yeah. I was moving on. 56:54 You're basically like a grown kid, basically. You're a kid. 56:57 You're just at the candy store grabbing. Exploring, dog. Nice. Nice. 57:00 That's dope. 57:01 That's really dope. You want to read your question? 57:03 Yeah, your question. Who do I ask it to? 57:05 If there's a name in the beginning, it's to that person. If there's no name, it's for you. Oh, okay. 57:09 Who's the one up you couldn't wait to see once you blew up? That's to you. That's to you. There was this director. 57:19 Name names, bro. I met this guy. I'll name his name at the end. I saw him on a show called Class Act. Okay. I did class act back in the day. For those who don't know, it's like the idols of acting. Yeah. Did that thing. Bring that shit back, bro. Yeah. I don't remember. I don't remember. It was tricky because also they promised people like a feature film after. And the only one that got it was Ustum. Ustum. Ustum never got his as far as I remember. 57:44 But anyways, yeah. So there was a director there, saw the brew, and that brew said, hey, you will never make it. 57:52 I have those stories too, man. And then, unfortunately, I did. Fortunately? No, for him. Oh, okay. Unfortunately for him. I knew what it was, the whole time. And the first film that I had booked, unfortunately, again, for him, was at his production house that he worked for. And I was the lead. 58:13 I share his troll past there. 58:20 It's just a little film, man. Right now, the film's being studied in high school in L.O. What's the film? It's called Beyond the River. Beyond the River. Yeah, it's a bit of an old film about the first black and white guy who partnered up and went canoeing. 58:33 Yeah. 58:33 Oh, I think I've seen it. That was it. But I mean, Beaver Squashed, it wasn't that deep. 58:38 It wasn't deep for you in terms, you weren't holding it against him. No, I wasn't holding it against him. 58:41 I'm just like, oh, so they're nerfed. What do you mean I'm niver? Why do you talk about that? You're not God. 58:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 58:47 Even if I was wack, though, you know how many wack niggas are working? Yeah, wack niggas are makings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 58:52 So, yeah, yeah, yeah. 58:52 Shout out to that nigga. What's his name? Timothy. Timothy who? 58:58 It's a color, a primary color. 59:00 Oh, Timothy White. No, no, no. Oh, Black. 59:03 No. Timothy yellow. What color is that? 59:05 Timothy blue. Why are we charading? I just figured, let's play around. 59:13 Yeah, I get you, I get you. You trapped me there. And I don't want to say it myself. You trapped me on going on exposing myself that I don't know these colors. It's colorblind. 59:24 Yo, buddy, I was going to ping. 59:26 He's going to ping? 59:31 Mine is, if your last five exes got in a group chat about you right now, what would they all agree on? 59:38 Yo. 59:39 Ah, that one's easy, man. 59:40 Fuck. 59:41 What? 59:42 What would they all agree on about you? 59:45 Me? Me, I'm an amazing person. See how easy that is? 59:49 Your exes are old! 59:51 Don't be like, you're so amazing! 59:54 Come on. Come on. 59:56 Yeah, it didn't record me, Amarashem is amazing. 59:59 We can make him drink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, come on. 60:03 You just can't make me drink. They all agree that I'm amazing. 60:07 I'll even take one with you, bro. I'll even take one with you. Your exes, my dog. They'll probably trash you, right? 60:17 That's crazy. What is it? Shot three now, right? We're on the third one. 60:23 Shout out. 60:26 What's the most embarrassing song on your playlist that you'd never admit to enjoying? Is this for you? 60:36 Wow. Personally, I don't think there's any song that I'm embarrassed of. I knew you would say that. And there's a lot of embarrassing songs, and I don't give a fuck. Like, if you think of the most embarrassing song, I probably love that song. 60:47 There's a musician also. 60:50 No, there is an embarrassing song. 60:52 Rebecca Black Friday. 60:53 You heard that song. 60:55 Which are they? 60:56 Rebecca Black Friday. No. 60:58 Oh, my God. Is it an embarrassing song? 60:59 It is the worst song. Is it like pink? It feels like the color pink. It's the worst song ever. Okay. 61:03 Now, you see, I like good songs, but even if it's a girly song, if it's a good song, I'm in there, bro. 61:08 It's not even a girly song. 61:09 It's just a bad song. I know. I don't like songs that are not bad, bro. Yeah? 61:13 I love... Yeah, yeah. 61:14 I'll even take another one. 61:16 I love girly songs. 61:18 Yeah, good girly songs. 61:20 What songs you guys are agreeing with? Like Beyonce? No, let's take even Avril Lavigne. Yeah, I like that. Let's take my way downtown. And then let's go, who's the one? What the fuck? Man, there was a whole Hilary Duff. Then there was the one with the black hair. She was on Moulin Rouge. Remember that song, Moulin Rouge? Yeah, yeah. Where it was all the girls? Christina Aguilera. 61:43 Yeah. High school musical. Yeah. 61:46 How's your musical? 61:46 Britney Spears got some good shit too, nigga. Britney Spears, come on. I don't think, hey man, there's Spice Girls that were holding it down. You know what I'm saying? 61:54 Man, you feel me. It's pop music, but I don't see what embarrassing music sounds like. What is embarrassing music? That's subjective, yeah? 62:02 No, no, no. I don't think it's embarrassing music. I think it's you being embarrassed for it to be known that you listen to. 62:10 It's those songs that you wish would never come on if your Bluetooth automatic connects. And tune with the boys. 62:16 Yeah. 62:18 Or unshuffle. Or your shuffle, the next one, you're like... My boys don't ever want to hear my playlist. I go from maskandy to classical, bro. Yeah, my shit is like that, too. 62:28 My shit is like that. It's all over the motherfucking place, dog. All over the place. Are you boys married? I'm married. You're married. Where's the ring, though? Fully, fully, fully. 62:36 Where's the ring, though? No, I haven't done my side of the things. So it's the Lobola's situation. All right, all right. So I still need to do the whole other side. 62:45 I'm severely unmarried. Meaning very single. Wow, severely, bro. Meaning very single. Like marriage. 62:51 So you're not single. I'm not married. 62:54 But you're not single. 62:56 Will you get married? Will you? At some point. Okay, so marriage is a thing. Will you? Yeah, I'd love to. 63:03 Guys, the older I get... which is day by day, every day, I'm getting further and further away from marriage. Really? 63:11 I can see that in you. You'll get married now. 63:14 He's been married already. 63:15 He's divorced. 63:19 He's going back there, but he's the type to go back. But you go back. How do you pick that up? 63:23 Like, I can send you energy. Oh, for real? You have that energy. 63:27 He's a safe space. 63:31 You just call me a safe space nigga. I'll take that. I'll take that. 63:35 I'd love to be somebody in safe space. You believe in it. 63:40 Istanbul, I mean, ideally, I think that's the most realistic thing. 63:47 Thank you. Really? No, for real. 63:49 He's about to call you a real nigga. Be careful. 63:51 I knew it. It is. 63:53 It is. It is in a sense that, like, for example... 63:56 Brother, you can't... 63:59 My eyes are only for you, love. 64:02 It's not that it's fun, I mean, but in terms of practical things and things that work for humanity, I think that's the most... Humanity. So who's fun when? I'm not going to now chase it now. I'm shilling this girl and that girl and now I want to marry the whole world. No, it's something that I feel is a calling and not something that's lustfully driven just because you have a desire to... Finish Joe back. 64:29 Yeah, no, but it's not from... Finish Joe back is crazy. I don't think that would be a good... I don't think that would be good for anyone. And I don't think it can survive on that mentality where it's like you just want to finish people. No, no, no. It's not about that. I think it's more about like for me, my experience with Polly Emery, it's more about having the capacity to really... 64:53 I'm going to say more than like, I'm going to stop before love. Because me personally, it gets tricky when it gets to the love part. But being able to see like pieces of things that you love within multiple people, like it's a real thing, you know? And that's why when you say like practically, like, you know, to tell you the truth, if the situation presents itself, it makes sense because why can't I appreciate more than one person? Yeah. You know, why can't I fall in love? 65:23 Because of the price of living. 65:26 You see, yeah, yeah. Now, there we go. Now, that's why I don't see marriage. Now, that's why I don't see marriage. So I can do the polyamorous thing. Y'all got kids? 65:38 Oh, wait, hey, we can be life partners. You got kids? We can be life partners. 65:42 You don't have kids. So you don't want to have kids here? Yes. So trust me when I say. 65:49 Marriage... 65:50 It's too much of an expensive exercise. 65:55 Is it not a gamble? 65:56 Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a gamble because like, guys, like, you know that feeling when you're in love? 66:01 Are you saying marriage is more expensive than being in the streets? 66:04 Sure. No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying marriage in itself, right, is an expensive thing. 66:09 Did you finish school, my brother? 66:10 Oh, can I finish, though? 66:12 Oh, damn, the way you structured that question, I was impressed I had to give him his roses. Let me give him his roses. 66:17 Freaking hell. 66:19 I don't even know what the fuck I was saying. 66:24 Sorry, bro. That question was so good, bro. 66:25 Before I came in here, today I said, you know what, I'm going to smoke my fucking face off before I get in here today. Why? 66:32 I just felt like it. 66:33 I was like- Guys, can I tell you guys something? No, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 67:04 That's a whole song. 67:04 I've never been this high on the podcast. Today I said, you know, today I'm fucking smoking my face off and I am high as fuck. So my brain is all over the place. And you distracted me. I don't even know what the fuck I was saying, bro. Oh, marriage being expensive. Oh, marriage being expensive. Oh, and we're talking about Istanbul, right? And I'm saying like, listen, Istanbul for me, It scares me because that is legitimate marriage. It's true. Which means it must come with the price tag of legitimate marriage. Households where it involves households. 67:36 Children. Bills where it involves bills, whether it's personal bills, the children, the medical care, the schooling, the multiple cars that now like, yo, that shit scares me. But if I had all the money in the world, oh, man, nigga, tomorrow. 67:54 I think it's the same thing because like, for example, the people that are in the positions to do that are most likely employers. So you're already used to looking after groups of human beings. Not necessarily. No, no, no, no. 68:06 In terms of mindset. You have to have the mindset, yes, 100%. But I have the mindset, right? I'm an entrepreneur. I'm good with making those. So I understand what it means to take care of people and to pay salaries and to take care of a team. You can do it. But I'm saying, but there's still such a thing of living over your means. There's still a thing of living outside of your means. That's what I'm saying. Istanbul for me, at this stage where I am in life, I'll be honest with you, it's outside of my means. 68:39 The way I look at it, even with having kids, because I saw the rate of South Africans having kids is declining in South Africa. 68:47 Yeah, I saw that video as well. 68:49 Right. And I think it's because of the whole affording thing. 68:52 Very good thing. 68:53 The economy is not... Abbas and Cyril gave the different flavors of Macs. 68:58 So now it's working. There was the... 69:02 Emacs, there's banana, there's cherry. 69:05 So maybe the government is... You know, I thought B was going to catch it, man. I thought B was going to catch it. But I was trying to segue into the scoop thing. Go to it. That's why I asked how you guys married. Speak on it. Now there's this thing that they're saying, scoop is saying high-value women. First of all, I don't like the term high-value woman. 69:30 Because why can't a woman be high value? Why are you speaking of it as if there's a problem? 69:36 What's a high value woman? 69:37 That's what I'm saying. You should want a high value woman. Whatever that means to you. It sounds good. It sounds good to me. So are you not a high value man, bro? 69:47 Are you not a high value individual? Fuck the man and woman thing. I was born like that, according to me. There we go. So what's the problem with being of high value? Maybe, because I haven't seen this video, I just saw it in the... I heard it's long, so we're not going to watch the whole thing. 70:01 And editors edit correctly, eh? Last time you guys did some other... Oh shit, the editors, you guys, dog. 70:06 Whoever's editing, there was a blurry... Mbumi was blurry on this side of the screen. Make sure Lolo's not blurry today, guys. Please, dog. 70:13 Wait, tell me something. When you guys play those videos, you'll also show us simultaneously. 70:18 Yeah, yeah. 70:19 I've been using that opportunity to... 70:20 But yeah, just for context, let's see what Scoop is saying, because I don't think... 70:39 See, no, I don't think... Relations between men and women. Oh, Metro FM. What you give is what you get. You reap what you sow. Us and some guys got to talking about, what's up with the ladies these days? They more dudes than dudes. They more dude-rish than dudes. 70:54 And then I'm like, you can't blame them. 70:58 Y'all did this. And everybody looked at me kind of funny. Like, what do you mean? 71:02 You can't. I say that to say this. That always comes out with a hot take. 71:08 I want to, and this is my observation. I'm not saying I'm right, but it is my observation. What did you think was going to happen when you as men loved a genre of music that kept talking down to women? That kept saying, women ain't ish, but B's and H's. 71:29 That kept saying that it ain't no fun if my homies can't have none. 71:35 What did you think was going to happen? 71:38 When you would say that a girl can't get nothing out of me except my private part. 71:44 What did you think was going to happen? 71:48 Now, you got the Megan Thee Stallions. 71:51 You've got the Cardi B's. 71:54 You've got the... What's her name? Carisha. Carisha. Young Miamis. And so many of them. And it started with the Lil' Kims and the Foxy Browns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now the girl has gotten smart too. She's like, well, I'm not going to give myself to you if I can't get nothing from you. 72:13 What did you think was going to happen, boys? 72:16 Yeah, I agree. How do you feel? Yo. How do you guys feel? I didn't hear any lies there. 72:23 Yeah, it's... But why do they title it like that? High value woman. Like, as if he had a problem with it, man. You guys need to stop the clickbait, man. Jesus. 72:30 But it works, though. It works. We're talking about it right now, right? 72:33 It did what it needed to do. No, I think, obviously, the culture has influenced the young girls and evolved it into what it is today. So... 72:43 It's tricky talk, but it is what it is also. We live in a world where it'll never be your ideal world. 72:49 Everybody's got their own weird ideals in their brain. Can I just add to that? I think this might be now conspiracy, tapping into conspiracy a little bit. Bro, okay, we're talking about it from a hip-hop lens, Western lens, right? That's the perspective he's coming from when they say high value and all those things. 73:08 Bruh, artists who are rapping or making music or making subject matter about contents that they don't really get up there as much as the people who are talking about bitches and this and that. That's what he's talking to, right? No, I think they do. I think Kendrick is a guy that builds. Nah, Kendrick did that too. At some point, he's done that. 73:28 J. Cole's a builder. They're superstars. They're global. Abaning. 73:34 But the ones that are there still have their thing. Obviously, the consumerism aspect of it is where is this music going to be consumed? Most of the time in the club, bro, I ain't trying to hear no deep things in the club, bro. I'm not trying to be built right now. I'm trying to get turned. 73:51 So you're saying there's a time and place for everything? 73:53 Yeah, yeah. And both J. Cole and Kendrick are more like on a drive to work. You know what I'm saying? 73:58 So his question is, what did you think would happen? 74:01 This is the repercussion of that exact same lifestyle. 74:08 But it is what it is. 74:09 You don't think there's a man behind the curtains who's pulling the freaking strings to say, yo. 74:14 There definitely is a man behind the curtains because the company has a CEO and he's trying to drive like profits and this is what. Profits in the whites. in everything dog and the business he's selling like he's selling lifestyle he's selling the music he's selling you know what i mean everything about it yeah violence i mean diamonds haven't been sold as much as at the rate they're being sold now and it's because of the culture of music yeah diamonds have been there dog since dinosaur days people don't yeah and money i'm gonna take it back to my okay sorry just i normally like try and 74:50 I do disagree with what you're saying, BU. I think you don't understand what Scoop is speaking about. What Scoop is speaking about is speaking about the fact that, like, due to the fact that women were sidelined through the industry of music and so on and life and work and so forth, right? they actually started realizing that hey i'm never going to get anything right from a man and because i'm not going to get anything from a man right they started getting artists like abo young miami and so on and so forth who started actually act becoming activists about you don't need to get a man to get everything instead get everything on your own so now this situation was actually built by men because men actually pushed women out from that space. 75:36 They said, I would be the breadwinner. I'll be the one who's handling the household. I'll do everything when I just sit there and be you. And then you, from there on, and then from there on, you had the hip hop space where the hip hop space is like, nevermind even just being you, right? You can't get anything. You're not going to get a bag from me if you don't act a certain way, if you don't do this and if you don't do that. And then women realized like, no man, hold on. If I do this for myself, then I can cut the men out. So what he's speaking about is that what did you expect, right? 76:07 It's going to happen. When you said all these things and you did all that stuff to women, women weren't going to idle forever. They realized that you were cutting them out. And because you were cutting them out, they started actually creating their own avenue of making money. And now the position that we're in is that they're making more money than men. In fact, there is a whole study in the... No, I'll get to it. There's actually a study in the US, right? 76:27 Top 10 doesn't mean anything. Top 10 doesn't mean anything. Land, land, brother, land. You have to look at the median. 76:34 There's a study in the US, right, that actually shows that this year, in 2026, right, there's actually a grown, like, culture and a grown percentage of men who are... house boyfriends, where women actually are the breadwinners, where women are the ones who actually are running the households. 76:50 And that's where we are. And I think there's a study in South Africa that I think there's a lot more women that hold more high-paying jobs than men right now. So I read, please check, but I read something like that. 77:04 It's turning, dog. There's a lot of women earning way more than men. And it's I'm not going to say... But anyway, I was trying to relate this back to the marriage thing, right? And the reason why I asked the question and why I played that clip, I agree with him. And that's one of the reasons why I don't see marriage... 77:30 as being part of my future. And for me, I think it goes deeper into my parents' marriage and how I grew up. I grew up in a beautiful, beautiful family. We didn't have money like that. We were poor sometimes, but I did not feel poor. You know, when I grew up, when I hit like 16, 77:48 17. 77:48 Listen, listen. Listen, listen. When I hit 16, I know you're a comedian, but when I hit 16, 17, then a lot of things started hitting me. 77:59 Making sense, yeah. 77:59 Making sense. Like, damn, nigga, we ate sandwiches that whole week? Yeah. Oh, shit. But I didn't feel that I was broke because my mom, my dad was there. We were still cracking jokes. The family was there. You get what I'm saying? 78:15 But... The older I get and the longer I live in this society, The worst, I feel that I'm never going to reach the dream that my parents reached within their marriage. Because it was never about what you can do for me and what I can do for you. They were on a mattress. When they got married, they only had a mattress. And my dad asked me once, he's like, so when are you getting married? I said, yo, when I have the house, when I have this, he's like, my brother, when I got married to your mom, he had a mattress on the floor. If you're waiting for something, it's never coming. 78:47 If you're waiting for that perfect moment, it's never coming. Shout out to pups. Shout out to Pops, but then that shit rings in my head and I'm like, Pops, but where? 78:54 But where? Because I don't see it. Like, I don't see it. Maybe I'm in the wrong place. Maybe I'm living the wrong life. Maybe all that shit. But for me, it's only looking like a dream that's never going to happen. 79:03 Yeah, but when we started this thing, this man advises you to church on Sunday. 79:07 You don't want to come, dog. You know what I mean? Who said church is the fucking... the solution to this problem. There's places you don't know. What? The girls at church are the worst. Have you tried? At the worst. The girls at church are the fucking worst. Have you tried now? Have you tried? 79:23 Maybe a Methodist church in the hood. It has to be a certain answer. People I don't think you can say all the church girls. See, you're the guy that always says you don't like to put everyone in that bubble to say all the family. But you know what I need? It can be a church girl. It can be a church girl, right? But this church girl. It doesn't have to be a church girl. One of two things. But she's at church, right? So let me call her a church girl. 79:47 Just the fact that I found her at church. Let's just say that, right? 79:50 Just for just, yeah. 79:51 One of two things. 79:54 Either you're a church girl, you've been in the church your whole life, but there's this thing about your spirit where you don't judge people. 80:02 Whether they've been drug addicts, whether they've had certain addictions, whether they've had, you just don't. Your character is to not judge people. I find that so beautiful. Or two, you've been through a lot of shit like me and we can relate and we don't judge people because we've been through shit ourselves. 80:18 Okay, I get you. 80:19 It can only be those two things. 80:22 Do you think there's a realm where that exists the first one? There has to be. The second one, I see the second one. 80:26 There has to be a realm. The first one. Because there's nothing new under the sun, right? 80:29 I don't know if people don't judge. I mean, it's kind of human nature, no? To judge. No, a certain judgment is like, oh, you used to be a drug addict? Oh, I get it. How could you ever be a drug addict? 80:39 Oh, you used to be an alcoholic? You had to stop. Oh, shit. What? Nah, what the fuck you mean? The first big argument. Exactly. Exactly. 80:49 Yeah, like, yeah, yeah. Now, imagine you being in church. I met you in church, but you speak like this. 80:55 I met you in church, but when we have an argument, you speak like this. The human nature comes out. 80:59 Those are vindictive people that weaponize your pain. That person is a terrible human. 81:04 But what I'm saying is just because you found them in church doesn't mean they're not going to talk to you like this. 81:07 No, those people are everywhere. Because human church and the club are everywhere. 81:11 That's what I'm saying. So you can't just say, come to church and... 81:14 But the filtering system's a bit better. 81:18 My belief is that... My belief is that there are good and bad people in every space. Because I think, and I always tell my wife this, is that I would hate for you to leave me because I'd hate to go back to the streets. 81:34 You don't want to go back to this, my boy. 81:35 And the reason being is because of... There's nothing for you. The life we're living, and it's the life we live, is we live our lives 90% in the section. 81:43 Yeah. 81:43 And in the section, we're dealing with... You know what I'm saying? 81:46 The devil. 81:47 We're dealing with the devil. True. But it doesn't mean that just because we're always dealing with the devil, in that space, there are no angels. 81:53 Yeah. 81:53 But it also doesn't mean in the same time, if we look for angels in the space where angels are supposed to exist... That you only find them there. There aren't devils there. Yeah, as well. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So I believe that there's good and bad. Everywhere you look. But I think you should try this thing of... Yeah, take the invite. 82:12 You don't lose anything. You don't lose nothing. 82:17 And then Sunday, you make sure. 82:19 And she was invited also. Sunday, even if the altar call is for women only, make sure you go to the front so they can see you walking to the front. I am telling you, you're going to find something. 82:30 Do it. Don't go with Lucky, though. Just go for the experience. Yeah, I was about to say. Don't go with them. 82:35 Bless me here, God. 82:36 No, go with it. 82:37 Yo, can I tell you, being with so many people, 82:46 So many people have tried to get me to go to church. The women I've been with since I was 17. Dad, we're going to church. 82:54 My parents were... What'd you do with that? That's my part. I'm giving you an invite. 83:01 You said no in front of everybody. You said no to me. 83:06 Don't you want to do another smokey bowl? Yeah that's crazy but you know what I mean quickly to wrap up the marriage thing. 83:17 Don't say quickly Luen. But you are set for life dog. You're good. There's nothing you can actually... Who's got it for life? 83:23 Have you seen the percentage? 83:25 Yeah, but you see, come on, you can't talk like that. 83:27 Nigga, you're just at the beginning of your journey. You can't already say. I've just said hello. 83:34 I just arrived. 83:37 I just arrived. Yeah, but for me, it's like, I feel like I can do a life partner situation. 83:43 I can do a life partner. There's someone watching this. 83:45 Who is exactly the person that you're describing? Trust me. You know what I'm saying? That person must come to Rema and he must also come to Rema and we'll meet. But I can do that with multiple people. Multiple people. 83:56 Is life partner wife or... 83:59 It's similar but it's not quite. We have kids. We've probably been living in the same house for years. We have kids. We share accounts. 84:09 Please, just indulge me. Like, Where does it stem from, this thing of life partner? What is the difference between uksaina and a life partner? 84:23 I must ask you the problem. I must ask you that. I'm getting today. Yeah, but why should I have to pay global? 84:29 Why should I have to pay global? 84:31 No, but then you're missing his question because that's a valid question. 84:35 He's saying what's the difference between signing and what I get from your question. No, he said where does it come from, the life partner thing? Where does it come from or what's the difference? 84:42 Okay, let's see. What is the difference? 84:44 That's what I understood from what you said. Okay, let's see. What's the difference? The difference is... 84:49 And I should turn that question on you. If there's no difference, because that's what you're insinuating. You're insinuating that there's no difference. So if there's no difference, then why do I need to go through an extra step to now put my signature down on the paper that legally binds me to you? If there's no difference. 85:06 As a person that's not married, I can answer that. Because the declaration of it, it's like the difference between... 85:15 You all don't hold hands, you all don't do nothing. There's a difference between that and you holding your girl at the cinema on the lips. So signing is the highest declaration of that. 85:34 of all the people, this one. And you can hold me accountable to the point that if I do cheat on this person or whatever, legal things can be done unto me. 85:43 To me, that just sounds like someone that has been indoctrinated so deeply within society. 85:48 But we're all indoctrinated. Exactly. 85:51 And it's normalized. So I hear what you're saying. And for me, that sounds like, the fuck? Why do I need Cyril to know that? Why do I need to declare to Cyril? I hear your example. I hear your example. But in... my rebuttal would then be, I don't need to declare to nobody but my person. 86:09 But you declare your finances at SARS and it's not weird. But I don't have a choice. 86:14 You're talking about something I don't have. You're talking about something that I'm going to go to jail for if I don't do it. No, it depends. That's different, nigga. 86:23 It doesn't depend. I'm going to jail for one. The other is my choice. 86:26 I can freely say, you know what, baby, we're going to be together for life. 86:30 Somebody please, if you're dating this man, get your father to threaten jail. 86:38 No, but what I'm saying is, guys, me in my perfect world, to tell you the truth, again, two options. 86:44 I'm happy you start there. 86:45 Either I'm with someone that does not fucking care about marriage and therefore I will marry her. because she showed no, no thing of being incomplete without marriage. If she makes me feel like she's complete as long as I'm with you, I want to give that girl marriage. Like, I want to do every... Like, for me, like, I live in a movie, dog. Like, my life is a movie. I live in a movie. I want my life to be a movie script. Mm. You get what I'm saying? And for me, that's some Bonnie and Clyde shit. If you make me feel like for us to be our ultimate, we need to get married, you need to put a, uh, bitch. 87:18 I'm like, nah, I don't think you're the one because you're not making me feel like that. 87:21 You get what I'm saying? 87:22 Where were you going with it? He was asking. He was the one asking. Because he said, indulge me. No, no, no, no. 87:29 I just, I just, I really needed, like, He's asking. 87:32 I wasn't coming from the side of anything. 87:34 He's asking. 87:35 Or, number two, 87:37 is shit let's just call it what it is from the jump and let's just understand that we're going to be in each other's lives forever no matter what happens but do you guys do you guys do you guys weigh the complications of especially as black people do you guys weigh the complications of taking decisions of i'm going to be your your life partner as now that you've described it There are complications to those things. Everything comes with pros and cons. 88:04 Yeah guys, I don't think we actually say I'm going to be your life partner. I don't think it happens like that. 88:09 We're taking a sober decision that we're in each other's lives. We're exclusive. I want a child, you want a child. 88:15 Yes. We trust each other. But we're not married. 88:17 Do you understand the complications? What kind of complications? 88:19 What kind of complications? Explain them to you. Spiritually maybe. 88:21 Death. Do you understand your death? And then what happens in death? Your death comes with so many complications. One! The complication that your death is coming with the whole issue of your body's going to be fought for. No, nigga. Cremate that shit. 88:41 I've already put it in my will. Cremate that shit. 88:44 Hear me out. 88:46 That's fine. 88:47 It's crazy. 88:48 My mom was cremated. She said, guys, I don't want anyone cling with my body. My body part. Cremate that shit. My dad, we told him already. Cremate. Cremate. 88:58 So what do you mean fight for your body? Cremate. 89:04 But my parents were not sort of the same. Slow down, Teho. Let him down. But you've been interrupting me, Lolo. The whole time. 89:11 You don't know me anyway. You are outlier. Your parents, America, education systems, they understand these things. I'm talking about a normal black person. He's watching this thing right now. 89:23 Don't do that. I don't have a passport. 89:25 We talk to the North. 89:27 We talk to the North. We talk to the North. We talk to the North. We talk to the North. We talk to the North. 89:34 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 89:35 Those things, they come with complications of when you pass away, your immediate family, which is your life partner and your kids, they can't do anything with your body because your mother and your father, they are saying, no, the body needs to come back to Mnambiti for whatever reason. Right the will. And then there's also the issue of now... Right the will. Yes, yes. I'm saying... I'm agreeing with you that the will, but we must also understand that we are dealing with an issue. 89:56 No, you're making an excuse for ignorance. Wait, listen to me. 89:59 Think of the level of comprehension in South Africa that we are dealing with. The people... Oh, people are incomprehensible, first of all. So they don't know all these things. 90:06 Now you pass away... Who came to my house and said, guys, let me show you a brochure about cremation. Like, yo, this is... No, it was them saying that, yo, we have seen these things through my family. You also need help taking out an e-wallet. 90:20 There's a privilege you're not seeing, brother. Okay, but you just made a very good point, right? And you made a good point as well. You made a good point as well. Guys, at what point in time, and we talk about as black people, we talk about... 90:35 like breaking the family curse or like you know being the first one in the family right there's this big thing around generational curses right so this is my point about and it goes back to my point about when you get born who are you and at what age do you decide who you are at some point in time in your life guys you need to look in the mirror and decide who you are what your beliefs are and what you want your life to look like If you saw your parents go through some hard shit and you saw within your parents, how was that? 91:07 Guys, guys, guys, guys. Now you're talking bullshit because now you're making an excuse. Bring it down to South Africa. 91:17 I am bringing it down to South Africa. 91:20 Lolo, Lolo, Lolo, you are going to keep people down at the bottom. You are keeping people down at the bottom because my thing is this. We have so many, so many black people that grew up impoverished that decided that they were going to be better and do better for themselves. Some of your parents are some of the same people that I'm talking about right now. When you reverse to their time, they had no examples for the success that they had reached to allow you to go to the schools that you go to now. You know what they fucking did? They looked in the mirror and said, I'm going to stop crying for myself. 91:51 And I'm going to decide what I want to do for my family. Shut up. 91:55 Relax, listen. Relax. 91:57 So if you saw at 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years old, your cousins and your uncles fighting over body parts and where their body goes, and you allow the same shit to happen to your family, I don't feel sorry for you. Because you saw that shit and you decided to continue that shit. 92:13 That's my point. That's my only point. Nigga, you have a choice. My choice is to get cremated. Because I don't want nobody doing nothing funny with my body parts, nigga. I made that decision. You can't tell me. There's no information. Put that shit in the sea. I dumped my mom's ashes in the sea, dog. Put that shit in the sea. Anything you want. Anything you want, dog. 92:35 Whatever. Flush it down the toilet, whatever. How are we going to fight about which toilet? 92:39 Lolo is going to keep you guys impoverished. Lolo wants you guys to keep thinking at this level. No, dog, you're not hearing me. I'm saying, guys, no, but you're not hearing yourself. And that's the most dangerous part about this. You're not hearing yourself. You feel like you've landed. There's no excuse. He didn't land because there's nothing to land. The plane has crashed. Nah, the plane has crashed because you're feeding false nonsense to these kids. 93:04 As long as our ideologies don't transcend to everybody else. it will still remain a problem. Even in as much as you believe, please cremate me. If your whole family, you didn't take the time for them to understand that, there's going to be, if they're stubborn about it and they're saying, no, this man, we're going to bury him next to his father. They're going to bury you next to your father. And they're going to bury you next to your father while your kids are fighting and saying, but my father said he wants to be cremated. But now... 93:34 That is a real situation. Even if there's a will. That happens. 93:36 But if his mother says, I believe in this household we are being buried, they're going to take his body. But Lolo, you know what matters? And that's why I'm saying that this is where the fight is going to come from. And this fight even stems from the fact that you've taken a life partner, somebody who's supposed to be the one who's advocating and saying, this is my husband. This man just said he wants to be cremated, guys. Let's just cremate him and let things go. This very same person who's supposed to be advocating for you is now in a bigger fight that they're not supposed to be in. But they're playing the role of a wife in the position of a life partner. 94:11 Dog, I hear you, bro. Oh, I hear you, dog. Can never happen. I hear you, bro. 94:16 No, I hear you. Can never happen. Your response can never happen. It's great to happen. It happens. 94:22 But I'm thinking in my life, and you're right, because there's nothing new under the sun. Like, there's nothing new. There's been wills and people still contest wills. And then it needs to go through the court process. Like, you are right about these things. But this is what I'm saying. As long as when you die, you are happy of the decisions that you made. I don't think you should worry about what's going to happen when you die, because you're dead. 94:43 As long as you wrote that will, you told your people what to do, whatever they decide to do is on them. They can literally live with it. You are dead. You are gone. You tried your best. You've done your part. So if the people still living on earth want to be stupid and fight, let them. Spiritually, my guy, you are released. Just go. 95:07 Guys, can we do our questions really fast today? 95:11 One quick round. Oh, yeah, I got a nice one. 95:17 Let me stop. My question is, if you had to switch lives with someone else at this table for a week, who would it be and why? 95:28 Abote. 95:30 It would definitely be... No, that's my answer. Oh, I thought you were asking him. That's my answer. What's your why? 95:37 There's a lot of things that you are that I don't know what it feels like to be. 95:40 Outfit. No. That's why everyone says you ain't. 95:45 Tell him who's a musician. He's an actor. I've done both. And I'm currently still doing both. You're a comedian. You do comedy. The way you view things also is quite fascinating to me. So definitely, it would be you. 95:58 Oh, shout out. 95:59 Next. What is an industry lie that all comedians keep but could never say out loud? Sure. 96:15 You know what they keep, they always say that. They always have this thing that they are working tomorrow morning, but they're not. They never? No, no, no. 96:26 Unemployment? No, the comedian that is working is in pop-ups. 96:30 Sure. 96:31 Shout out Mpo Pops. And you know, shout out Mpo Pops because I feel like... And this is another example to what we just finished debating about right now. He's still there. Guys, there'll be information in front of your eyes. Like, there'll be stories being told. And Mpo Pops can show you that he's doing his podcast on this network. And then he's doing his car thing on YouTube on this network. And then he's doing this. And then the information will... Literally, his moves are being televised. 96:59 You can see what he's doing. 96:59 But then you'll still be like, oh, I wonder how, like, I wonder what's next. It's like, brother, you see it right in front of you. So there's not a website that's going to show you how to become the best you. But there's examples in people all around you. 97:17 There's examples and people all around you. And that's why I'm saying you never have an excuse, man. You never have an excuse. 97:22 What's your question? What is a universal industry secret that no one doesn't have the guts to say out loud? 97:34 That's to you, man. 97:35 No, that's just to anyone. That's to you. If there's no name, that's to you. That's to me. 97:40 Universal industry secret that no one doesn't have the guts to say out loud. Yeah. 97:48 you will only you'll only get work from people who like you oh yeah that's not a secret though it's kind of obvious right I think it's not it's not something we mention out loud because nobody will say it when we call you guys to seminars to speak to young kids sure why not hey invite me I'll say that shit live drive dog these niggas don't like you no work man a secret that is not a secret is that people work with people they like yeah so be likable 98:16 No, nigga. 98:18 No, but you're not going to be liked by everybody. No, but be likable. Not everyone. But be likable. 98:23 I think you can fight it as far as possible. Yes and no. 98:28 Here we go. Other people are not... You spoke about the filter earlier on. R.I.P. the late Keenan. He walked around as a villain. But he was booked. 98:38 But he was likable. And this is my point. This is my advice. My advice. 98:46 is be yourself. Be you, yes. And you better hope that shit is likable. 98:50 That's it. Be authentic. Be yourself. 98:55 And you better hope people like that shit. There are many people out there who should never take this advice of be yourself. And then some of you... 99:03 Yeah, some people need work, man. 99:07 Some of us need work. 99:09 You need us to whisper in your ear that it's time to smile. I always give people, when I talk to people and I'm honest with them, I'm good friends like with Ligeza, you know? And Ligeza is a people's person, like people people's person to the point where it irritates me. And I always tell him what you're poison. I wish you could whisper in my ear that now it's time to smile. or yeah now it's time to greet because sometimes I just sometimes I'm also in my own mindset or my own anxiety and I can understand why the next person didn't like me in that moment because they found me on my phone and in that moment of excitement I didn't naga that thing but it's not to say that I have an issue with that person. 99:47 It's just that I'm also dealing with my own things. I always tell the kids that, you know, we are like, we are like the twins. There's the likable one and then there's the one that is there. 99:57 And you know, people don't understand that about some of us that are in the public eye, how we might have social anxiety and things like that. 100:04 And you don't understand, like, how as a comedian, you're on stage, you're supposed to be funny. 100:08 How do you... Well, then you find me chilling there before the show. You're asking me, are you okay? That's the first thing you said when you came in. It's like, in fact, are you fine? 100:16 No, I said that you're going to be able to be funny today. 100:18 I don't like that, dog. Don't worry. I'm just quiet. 100:20 Can I just share a story with you? When you said something about whispering, I don't know if you know the story about Caesar. Whenever he would step out in Rome and people would cheer him, cheer to him, cheer as if he was a god, right? He hired somebody to whisper in his ear, you're only a man, you're but a man every time. That kept him sober. Because as much as everyone is cheering, you need something to keep you sober. 100:42 Gangster. 100:43 But a man But a man the whole time So that's a powerful thing Yeah Fuck with that Real nigga He was a real nigga But But Let me tell you what that does Because I did a lot of that to myself When I was Like when I left the house And my mission at 17 Was to become A super fucking star By a certain age I did a lot of looking in the mirror and saying that you ain't shit. You ain't shit. You ain't shit. No, that's not what I'm saying. No, listen. But that's a form of it, right? And what that eventually did is now I've got this imposter syndrome. 101:17 With all the great shit that I've done, With who I am, when I walk into a room sometimes I ask myself, damn, maybe I shouldn't be here. 101:26 I can point out what that nigga's done, what that nigga's done, what that nigga's done. And then sensitivity is I'm so harsh on myself. I'm like a drill sergeant, dog. But everyone around me sometimes they're like, oh, you're too hard. I'm like, damn, you don't know that I'm two times as hard on myself. 101:40 Like you're the type of person to sell out a show and not celebrate. Yeah, oh, I never celebrate. 101:44 And that's the thing, I never celebrate. 101:45 I never celebrate. Next day, I'm like, what's next? That's how you become great though, no? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people. A lot of people. But I think at some times you need to be, at some point you also need to just accept that, you know, what we did today was dope. Yeah. Like, you know, if an episode hits, whatever views it hits, you need to be able to call each other and say, yo, 102:03 I think this is going to be a great closer. I think this is going to be a great closer. Let's do it. Abuti Lolo, share with us that one joke that always works when the crowd is dead. 102:12 Shows us out. 102:13 Shows us out, brothers. Oh, shit. Which one of the thousand jokes that are funny do I use in the crowd? Which one do I share? I think my go-to joke right now is I speak about how I can't do relationships. the same way that everybody can do relationships. Because they're married, yeah. 102:37 There's that and then there's also the fact that like the first dates, like if you go to a first date, you can get to the date and then when you get there at the restaurant, they're serving, say, wings and chips. And then underneath there in the menu, they've written six wings and chips. And then you order that and then they bring that food. When you look at the plate, there's only five wings and chips. So then you call back the manager and you're like, yo, dude. 103:02 This is so wrong. Why did you guys only give me five wings and chips in this economy and whatever? Tomorrow morning, your date feels so in love with you. She calls her friends. Yo, Chomi, my friend. Yo, this guy I went out with last night. He speaks up for us in public. I love him so much already. You're a strong man. I love a man who's outspoken. I love a man who can defend us, whatever. But if I'm in the same situation, same phone call, different conversation. Yo, Chomi, I was so embarrassed. 103:28 That time, I'm going to die. 103:32 What's the past tense of cringe? I was cronged the whole night. 103:42 Oh, shit. Thank you guys for coming, man. We appreciate you guys. Shout out. 103:45 Can we get a round of applause? Come on. I just want to say, as always, man, we're leading up to Road to 2 Million. Let's not forget. Road to 2 Million, 12th of December. Venue, Biu, do you remember? It's in KTOW. 103:57 Grand West Arena Grand West what? Grand West what? 12th of December? 104:02 Grand West Arena tickets are flying we're doing giveaways up until the event also my event 2nd of October propaganda the spring bash and you know what 2nd of October Yo and shout out to Naledi which is Mack G's wife I was with her in the club with Mack G and she's like Use us Use the network Black your shit And I'm like Now lady I don't think there's another nigga On the network That does that Like I do nigga So I'ma keep telling you Yo 2nd of October Propaganda The Spring Bash I'll see you guys there Peace out nigga 104:46 But you're humble as fuck about your music, man. 104:48 Did you release since then? 104:50 No. 104:51 You didn't release? Because you said you were going to release when you last spoke. 104:55 I've been cooking for long. You've been cooking for long. Okay, we good? Okay, now we're going to see. 105:00 The one of those chefs that don't ever release their shit. 105:04 Same person. Same person. Okay. Hello. 105:07 We'll see. 105:07 Hola, how are you, my guy? What's up? How are you doing, man? 105:12 Hola. How are you, my brother? 105:16 Hey, I'm good. Thanks, bro. And you? Sharp, sharp. Who are we speaking to? 105:20 To Smogile. 105:21 Smogile. How you doing today, man? Oh, Gran Virgil. 105:28 We're sharp. We're to clean now. 105:30 That's Gran Virgil. You're speaking to B.U. and Hill. The one and only. Do you watch our show? Do you watch all the smoke? Are you a flamer? 105:37 All the smoke, all the time, bro. Even I'm pissed with my hookah now. 105:40 Yeah. 105:43 Smoke time, smoke time. Where's the zone, my brother? Smokey, where's the zone, brah? 105:49 There's a big day, somewhere, somewhere. 105:53 It's going to take off, bro. 105:55 Listen, man. Clearly, we are calling you today because you have clearly won a raffled row. We've got a couple of options for you since you invested in a ticket to the Road to 2 Million. I'm going to read out some options for you and you tell us which one you are feeling like you want to go for. 106:16 Okay. Sure. First one is limited edition merch. 106:21 bottomless food and drinks on the night. 106:24 You can promote your socials or business on the network or we can pay for your flights. Which one do you think is the best for you? 106:31 Yeah. 106:32 Ah, the first one, bruh. I'm already here in Cape Town. Oh, so you want the merch. You want the limited edition merch. 106:39 So you're choosing the merch, yeah? 106:40 Limited merch, bruh, man. 106:41 Okay. I know, this guy sounds like he has money because he doesn't need the bottomless food and drinks. Ah, he's good. He's sorted. He doesn't need to promote anything. He doesn't need flights. Ah, okay, my brother. So we'll see you there on the 12th of December, nah? 106:54 Okay, no problem, man. Thanks, guys, man. 106:56 Shut up, man. Be safe. 106:58 Can I do a shout out? Yeah, do a shout out, do a shout out. 107:02 What's her name? 107:07 Say it again. What's her name? 107:11 Iyana. Iyana. 107:14 Hey, shout out Iyana. 107:16 Okay, my brother. We appreciate you. We'll see you on the 12th. 107:20 I hope she's not watching me. Are we? 107:22 Sure. 107:23 Isn't there an age restriction if it's a kid? 107:27 After I 107:30 I'm still driving, I'm lying at night. You can pack the ass tight. Table dancing, dodging heels. Do you know what that's like?