Podcast and Chill with MacG

00:01 To advertise, email, podcast at thisismatchy.com. Release yourself from order and logic and enter a new place. It's not work. It's not home. Here, no maps have been drawn. 00:17 No books have been written. Nothing is certain. Everything is possible. Welcome to Podcasts. 00:26 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 00:46 What is up, Palsas? Welcome to Music Pals. A podcast where we tell our co-hosts. Ittype. Ittype Lapo. You're starting like that. He's got it there. He's got it. Oh, Ittype Lapo, if you believe there's going to be a fire episode. Man, welcome. 01:00 Why do we start the show with Jess and J&J and J&J? Like, we start the show with an intro now. 01:06 I asked everybody if they were okay. No, you asked me if I'm okay. 01:09 We've been sitting in silence for like 10 minutes before we started. Are you okay? I'm okay. You asked me. How was Donald? 01:16 How's Donald? 01:16 Is he okay? What do you mean? No, but I saw in the comments there on TikTok, they like speedy recovery. So I'm like, oh, what's wrong with Donald? 01:22 Recovery from what? I don't know. 01:24 I don't know. Vicky commented on speedy recovery. And then Vicky said, ah, no. Who posted the video? What do you think that they're saying? What do you think? I mean, I don't know. Who posted the video? 01:37 Was he in hospital? No, I saw comments. People talking about, yo, I saw that guy, that guy that speaks Spitor. Which one? The guy was like, yo, TikTok users are not supposed to be on the internet. They should be banned from the internet. 01:50 Wait. Do I not go to hospital? Why are they saying speedy recovery? I don't know. I'm asking. Donald is not sick. 01:56 Yeah, he's fine. Donald did some diet. Donald was on some diet. There's something he wanted to shoot. He's done shooting it. He's going to beg to pick up. Donald is always doing something with his body. He was on his 50 cent. He want to do something with his body. 02:10 That movie that nobody watched. No, people watched it. Okay. What is it called again? Wait. Wait. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. 02:17 He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. He went on a diet. 02:36 Ripped? Yeah, yeah, ripped. He wanted to be lean, yeah. He wanted to have lean muscles. He wanted to be like me. Did he cut sugar? Did he cut sugar? I don't know. Diet. Diet is everything. I know he wasn't eating meat. Okay. He doesn't drink though. He doesn't drink very well, but he wasn't eating meat. He just wanted to shoot some stuff, man. He's done. 02:55 That guy's not sick, man. He's not sick. 02:57 Oh, fuck. 02:58 I know. I drove down to Dempopo Friday. 03:02 Friday in the evening. 03:04 That was the funeral I attended, man. It was just good being home. You know, the atmosphere, the people. I got so much love, dog. 03:12 Am I like... You are famous, famous now. 03:14 Nah, besides being famous, famous. It was just love. 03:16 Can you still go chill out? My fingers fall apart. They were like, those niggas, tell those two niggas. 03:20 If they come at you, tell them the ZB boys are ready. The what? Zebediel. Zebediel are boys are ready, you know? Damn. And I was like, I got my crot mans. I'll make a call. Don't worry if they bother me. 03:31 Where is Zebediel? 03:32 ZB is in... What do you mean? It's in Limpopo. It's in Limpopo, okay. Where? Where? 03:38 It's the Cocooniland. No, man. Where? It's way before the Cocooniland. That side, man… When you come, it's… I don't know how to explain to him. 03:47 I know where it is, but… How was that? Okay, let me tell him. Not far from where you went for your holidays. By Lee. No, no. 03:53 It's super far from Lee. It's far from Lee. Super far. That was Kukune. 03:57 That was King's Fest. 03:58 It's far from there, bro. 03:59 Yeah, I had a family gathering. Yeah. 04:03 That's it? 04:03 In Myrdale. Oh, yeah. In the south. Alright. You understand? Yeah. 04:07 Out in Jorberg. 04:08 No, no, no. I'm just telling you about my family gathering. Relax. Okay. 04:11 I want to tell you what we ate, dog. Okay, wow. Yeah, we're eating lamb. Okay. 04:15 Yeah. Mutton, sorry. Mutton. We ate mutton. We had couscous. Not rice. Okay. 04:22 Yeah. Couscous. Stump. 04:25 With peanuts in it. 04:26 Okay. 04:27 You understand? We had a spinach lasagna. 04:32 You understand? On top of the coleslaw and the beetroot and everything else, there was fish as well. If you wanted a piece of fish, there's a full fish there for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Soft. 04:44 Family. Soft families. You understand? My rich aunt was having her 75th birthday. Yeah. She lives. She's living. She's continuing. She's strong. Very strong. You know? That's what we do in our family. We live long. We eat good. 04:58 Understand? We pass on generational wealth. Shout out to the Baloi family. No, they're not Baloi. Well, she's a Baloi. Yes, but she's no longer a Baloi. She's now a Rekots. 05:06 Oh, okay. Shout out to the Rekotsos then. Yeah. Shout out to the Lodabas. Shout out to the Kachenis then. That's what we had, right? We had a nice episode last week. We had Liso, yeah? 05:15 Is it Lizzo or Lizzo? Is it Lizzo or Lizzo? I've been calling him Lizzo. Lizzo is an I. 05:21 Okay. And then, because remember, Oskido's name was mentioned in the episode, right? Oskido. Yeah, I saw him in Santan. Then, same, when the episode dropped on Tuesday, I was in Santan that night. After, back to back or before? I don't know. It was at night, around 9, 8, somewhere. After 9, yeah. I was like vlogging. Yeah. 05:42 I was vlogging. And I was like, hey, Rupman, hey, do you know a guy called Natty? What, what, what? Your name was mentioned on the episode. 05:47 It actually dropped today. Natty from SCBC Metro Avenue. He's like, nah, he doesn't know much about Natty. 05:53 Oh, he used to work at Metro Femi. 05:54 He said he doesn't know much about him. See, that's where the life begins. And I was like, maybe there's not a proper setting to talk to you about this. You know, because it was packed. I was really packed. And I was like, I know it's fine. But that's what he said. But anyway, there's a guy we need to call from the UK. He wants a reply to Liso. He's in the UK, not from the UK. Oh, well, he's in the UK. MSA. Is it MSA? 06:15 Yeah. He's the guy that Liso was talking about that he's known for many, many years. 06:18 His name is Lindsay. Lindsay. 06:20 Oh, Lindsay. Lindsay. Oh, that's the guy that signed him. Oh, okay. 06:25 Let's give him a call and hear what he has to say. 06:27 That's signed about Lisa. Madhouse. It's plus 44. Plus 44 is UK. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's O2 or something. O2? The cell phone network. 06:38 All right. Nice. Okay. 06:41 Oxygen. 06:42 Hello. 06:43 How are you, Lindsay? 06:45 How are you doing, Tachi? How are you doing? Am I good? 06:48 I'm good. You know it's Tachi. Tachi, your music pals. Shiso here. And Monotana's here as well. 06:56 I'm good, man. Good, good, good, good. How are you, man? 07:02 I'm all good. Listen, you guys are doing a good thing there. You know, just look after what you're doing. We're watching. 07:09 And yeah, it's all good. It's all good. How can I help? 07:13 Obviously, I think your name was mentioned in last week's episode by Lizzo. 07:17 So our producer told us that you had something to say about that episode regarding what was said about you. 07:30 Firstly, because I'm a fan of your show, guys, I need to sort of put that out there. I was sort of surprised in two parts, because this is actually a very... It's a funny part. I was surprised in two parts because the last time I spoke to Lisa about bringing his artists to... 07:55 Piano Pals, he told me he would never come there because he used to work with you guys and you guys didn't pay him, so he had to come and take his equipment from you guys, which I found very strange. So it's important that I say those things because when I saw him on the podcast, I was kind of surprised that he said those things. But that's the funny part. So... 08:22 I want to address what he's saying, because that's the reason why I spoke to Dudu, right? Yeah. 08:30 He's lied. 08:32 And we are taking legal action against him anyway, because what he doesn't realize is when you say something like that on a big podcast that is millions of rich, and you don't tell the truth, we will take legal action. This is not the first time that I've said that to him. Previously, I threatened him with legal action because he tried to strong on me so that he could take over my distribution fee. 09:06 And we threatened legal action and he came back and he apologized. 09:11 And we've done a lot of work for Lisa. Let me tell you guys. We've done a lot of work for Lisa where he never paid us anything. 09:21 You understand? 09:22 So Liso reached out to, it wasn't actually Liso who reached out to me. It was actually one of the clients that I work with, Jan, who works with Marumba Peach. 09:35 And at that time he was working with Kheniso as well because they wanted me to help them with something. They also wanted me to help them with something that Dinky was going through. So we've got a bunch of lawyers that we pay on retainers because Music just contributes 10% of our income. So you're aware. So we work with a lot of lawyers. So they reached out to me. And then in that process, they mentioned Lisa that Lisa was having issues with Afrikori. 10:05 Are you with me? 10:06 Yes, I am. 10:08 So they said that they had dropped Egg Oli. 10:13 And Afrikori wasn't promoting the song and they didn't want to invest in the song. 10:20 So I said to them, well, so what do you guys want me to do? They said, well, you know, because I've worked with some of the guys, I said, can you help? Whether it's promotion, you know, the PR companies we work, can you push Egole? At that time, Egole had 4,000 streams. 10:36 So we pushed Egole and it sits at 5 million right now. 10:41 And when I said to them, so how will the payment go? They said, well, don't worry. You have to send your bank details and we'll sort it out. But I knew it was... Can I swear? Do you mind if I swear? 10:54 No, no, you can swear. You can say whatever. 10:58 I knew it was bullshit anyway, because there was no money. 11:01 You understand? So that happened. 11:05 And Ed Goley started picking up. So we used the agencies and some of our teams So we put it out there. So there was never any money. 11:15 What exactly did Liso lie about? 11:19 So Liso told you guys that he was only paid $20,000. 11:23 Yeah. 11:24 Trust me. 11:26 He's been paid close to probably about $700,000, $800,000. 11:29 Oh, wow. 11:32 So he's bullshitting you. And this is what annoys me. And I can tell you because he doesn't get paid directly from me. And that's the funny part, because I can tell you exactly what he gets every month. 11:48 And so this has been ongoing for a long time. I've spoken to Ms. Okushe, I've spoken to MSA, I've spoken to Ms. Okushe's parents, and I've told them, Liso gets the money. So he has to be honest with people and say, I've got the money. I just don't want to pay. 12:07 We're recording a show. Sorry, some people don't understand that. 12:11 Excuse me? 12:12 I'm saying we're recording a show. Sorry, in the studio. Some people don't understand that. You're good. You're good. 12:17 You understand? Yeah. So I just... For me, I don't have, I speak to Yomi Soko here and I speak to MSA. 12:26 You know, I spoke to their parents. They asked me, I told them, this is what happened. Let me explain because you mentioned about 20,000. 12:35 Yes, this was for the, this was, this was for, sorry, sorry, excuse me. This was for the Amangweba song, right? Because he said he didn't get royalties for that. The 800,000 rand you said he got is for the Amangweba song. 12:47 Yes, so let me explain, because with Liso, it's like a reality TV thing. So it's like you're in a reality TV. Once you interact with them, it's like that. So basically what happened was, they asked me to promote three songs, which was Egoli, Lengoma, and Amanero. And those are the three biggest songs. So when they came to me, Egoli had 4,000 streams, and Lengoma had 16,000 streams. 13:18 You understand? And then they then asked me to distribute, and they didn't have a budget to promote the song. We used our own money. You understand? So when we used our own... So we used our own money, and we recouped in about three, four months. 13:33 You know, I want to ask Spiso something. Is he there, yeah? 13:37 Yeah, he's listening. 13:39 Spiso, how much do you spend to promote... How much do you spend to promote a song? 13:46 On the mic. How much is what? How much do you spend to promote the song? 13:51 Depends how successful you want it to be. 13:52 Depends on the genre one. 13:57 I hear you. Yeah, I was saying it depends on the genre one. Two, depends also on the goal, the target that you set for yourself. 14:09 In our days, it becomes a little bit easier because of social media. There's songs that just blow up like that. 14:15 I know that they spent 70,000 rands on the Amangalba music video because we also had the director of that music video here on the show as a guest earlier in the year, Nate Thomas. So he claimed that that video was invoiced for 70,000 rands. 14:32 I hear you. So the reason why I'm asking these things, they asked me to promote three songs. And I recouped in three months, three and a half months, for all the three songs. And if you look at... My question is... 14:50 So my question, so if they ask you to push the music, if they ask you to, what do you say, to promote the music for them, right? So that means that they distribute the music through you. 15:04 So in the form of, so you investing on the marketing, it's a form of advance. 15:12 You say it well, my brother. It's better when you say it, because if I say it, then it sounds a bit tricky. So let me explain to you. I said to them that you want me to promote El Goli, which I don't distribute. So El Goli at that time was distributed by Afrikori. And I said, how will I get my money? And Lisa said, no, I'll pay you. But Lisa, I knew it wasn't going to pay me anyway. So I said, OK, that's fine. And so when we did that, I've got text messages, everything else where he's like, oh, thank you very much. You know, you're doing great. The songs have been sitting with Africa for months, nothing happened. 15:46 And then that's when they asked me to distribute Amangelo. And I said, that's fine, I'll do it. I take 20% out of my distribution. It's as simple as that. But they asked me to invest as well. And I said, that's fine. We'll put some money in. We'll put some money in. And I sent them a contract and they signed the contract. As soon as the song started doing well, Lisa started clonking up some bullshit story to try and say that, you know, you can't give me the 20%. But you know what? 16:14 i work in documentaries i work in tv we got good lawyers and he couldn't come out of that and he tried to to play a shoot nights you know sort of move on me and our lawyers say that's not going to happen and it sort of came up as if he was threatening me so we had to inform some authorities to kind of say listen if this happens this is what this guy is doing so we were aware of what he does and he came back and he apologized and i don't like throwing people's names and And he said to me, Lindsay, I'm sorry, the person who had actually got you wrong was the one that actually got it wrong, but he came back to me and said, no, you are right. 16:52 But I don't like throwing people's names when I'm having these business discussions because it's not fair. So Lisa apologized to me as far as I'm aware. But anyway, so Amaneba is making money. I can see it on the back end. So Lisa has to have a conversation with his artist and say, listen, we have to talk. How much do you guys, you know, you owe me and everything else that has to do with the contract? I don't get involved with that. I've told the artist as well, please find good lawyers. If you want to sort of get Lisa to pay you the royalties, go to court and ask them to freeze. 17:26 We can freeze the royalties if they don't want us to pay Lisa, but we can't just do it just by the whim. We have to have some legal direction. That's how it works. We just don't do things without paperwork. So if they go to court and say that we must freeze the royalties, we'll freeze the royalties tomorrow. You understand? That's it. There's nothing else. Liso has been paid the money. He couldn't even tell you what, you know, what artists get. You know, when you sort of highlighted about something about the royalties, you know, streaming, he didn't really want to answer that. 18:01 And then he brought my name up when it had nothing to do with nothing. 18:05 All right. Noja, you good? I'm good. Okay, I'm good. Fiso? 18:08 One more question. 18:13 So one more question. I was saying, my question now is, if you say you distributed a song and you took 20%, that's standard procedure, right? Did you add more percentage because now you had to invest on the song or you kept it that way? And if so… Right. 18:29 Yeah, I'm sorry. 18:30 Apologies for cutting you there, my brother. 18:32 Yeah, I was saying, if so, don't you think to clear your sight and your image from this artist thinking that, because now the ball, they've been saying it's you, it's you, it's you, it's you. Wouldn't it help if you have some kind of proof of payments that went through and put it there so that this artist also can know now which door to knock? Yeah, so that it points directly to Liso. 18:57 Right. This is what I'm going to do, right? I might have thought of a question. You know, let me just explain. I'm sure Norton will know that. And yourself, Lisa. Sorry. 19:09 Sviso. 19:09 Sviso, right? 19:12 When you work with contracts, when you work with contracts, I don't know how things over there. When you work with contracts, there's things that you can't divulge in public because, you know, for whatever reason. I am happy to share... 19:27 I'm happy to share that information with Dudu. My solicitor is happy to send it, but what we'll do is we'll have an NDA drafted so you can see. But I'm also happy to share that with the artists. I've already shared these statements with the artists. I can tell you what Liso earns every month. So because what we do is Liso gets his money directly. You understand? He doesn't get it from me. He just gets it. As soon as the royalties are done, he gets his, sorry, a cold pain through there. 20:01 So he gets the money directly. So I can tell you exactly what he gets every month. I can tell you every single penny that goes to lease. So can I quickly come back to what you asked, Svisa? Because I'd like to answer questions as well. Sorry if I digress. 20:17 Okay. 20:18 So I invested my own money, right? So when I invested that money, I should have taken a bit more percentage, but I didn't because we were building up a relationship. So what I did was I recouped in almost three and a half months. So on the third month, you understand? So on the third month, there was 20,000 rands left over. You understand? So I then sent him that money and I said, now you've recouped. 20:45 there's a balance of $20,000 that I'm going to send to you. So going forward, every month you'll be getting that money. So every month he's been getting money. 20:56 Every single month, he's been getting money. 20:59 All right. Okay. So my thing is about this. The guys' careers have all stalled. You know, they're releasing music. I see they're featured on other artists. You guys are all black brothers. Yourself included. Liso included. The artists in question included. You know how this industry has been against us. You're in the UK, which has got a population of less than 5 million black people. Right? You're in the UK. So you understand the colonizers' dominance. over us. You are right in the heart of the colony, right there in London. 21:30 So tell me, as black brothers, what is preventing you from all sitting around a round table, discussing your issues, hashing them out and solving this amicably so that everyone can continue going forward? What is stopping you guys from sitting down and being mature and saying, guys, we're embarrassing one another as black people. White people are laughing at us. 21:53 That's just one. Listen, you know, if you know a bit about me, you'll probably understand that's what I champion. You know, I work with a lot of black people. If you look at my documentaries, it's about empowering black people. So let me explain this. When this came about, I spoke to the artist. I spoke to Lisa. I spent months trying to mediate between the two of them. I even said to Lisa, listen, you know what? If the relationship has broken down, I could be the lever in between. When I speak to, when I can distribute for, you know, for the artists and you get paid your percentage directly, You understand what I mean? 22:31 So that means that the artists, they're working hard, you know, they're putting the music out there and leave so you get your percentage. So that means that nobody's losing out. Because I can tell you now, the relationship is broken down. There's no trust. And then when these accusations and then miscommunication, you know, misuse of communication in terms of things popping up on the internet, you know, listen, it doesn't look good, I can tell you, because it just comes across as if it's a banana, sort of a business strategy and it doesn't work you know so for me I have a good relationship with MSA and I used to have a good relationship with Lisa I've got so many contracts from other people that Lisa has done business that Lisa has sent me for advice and I've used my own lawyers to sort of help him and guide him So I was a little bit annoyed because he brought my name up for no reason. 23:23 And I've never charged. He's never paid me a penny, my brother. You understand? Yeah. When we started working with Madhouse, what we do is we do evaluation of any business we work with. And the catalog was worth $226. 23:34 I can tell you that. 23:37 So that wasn't, you know, you understand, that's what we do. We buy catalogs. We, you know, we invest in artists. You know, this year alone, we spent over 400,000 rents on artists that are there. And you know what? We try and be fair. Sometimes we have artists that have come to us and said, listen, we don't think we want to continue working. And we say, you know what? You're good. You understand? I work with some of the people, you know, that, you know, you guys work with. I work with Tumi. I work with CJ. Look, I distribute for some of those boys. 24:08 Never had an issue. All right. So I love my brother, Lisa, but you know what? 24:16 We're going to court, so we'll see what happens. You understand? And I like what not to say. I like what not to say. Those guys want to talk, but they want fairness, but I don't want to get caught up in their beef because it has nothing to do with me. But what not to say is true. 24:32 They have to talk to each other and work. And I even say to them, I've never seen people that could have made millions throw it away so much, which is what they've done. I can tell you now we worked out predictions. I even went up to Lisa and we said, listen, we'll give you $2.8 million. Then for the three songs, what we can do is you then split up with the artist and see if there's something that we can do in between. 24:57 All right. 2.8 million, I think 2.8 is a lot of money for three songs. But I think that was a base player in that, right? 25:05 No, he was saying he wants to give him an advance of 2.8 million so he can continue developing. All right. 25:10 Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Lindsay, for clearing your name and stuff like that, man. Hopefully you guys get together and you fix your quarrels. As black brothers, like Lota said. Yeah. 25:20 Thank you, man. Bye. 25:22 Listen, you guys are good. Just carry on doing what you're doing. You know, so you're good. All right? 25:27 Sharp, sharp. We appreciate you. Thanks a lot for making time for us. 25:33 So Zetu also reached out. Who's Zetu? Zetu. 25:36 Who's that? 25:38 The Oskido artist. 25:39 Oskido artist. Okay. Saying... Saying... I'm saying... What's wrong with you? You don't like the mic today. Saying... I'm sober. Saying... 25:49 That's what's wrong. 25:52 Sorry. Saying that nigga is lying. Lizzo is lying. I sent a screenshot of what she said. One of the voice notes are here. I don't know if I should play it. Wait. 26:04 I don't know if I should play it. 26:19 So, so, so, so, Oh, well, Zeti, you're already on the podcast, man. So, yeah, so that's one of the things. 26:51 I sent the screenshot. 26:53 The screenshot said, you want to read it? 27:04 Because remember we did say everybody has the right to reply, right? Or right of reply. 27:09 She basically said, why did you mention my name on shit, bro? I wasn't your artist. I didn't even know you. You tried to steal me. Who tried to steal me from you? 27:20 Because I had no business with you. And then I think he replied by saying, photo shoots, my food, drinks, transport. I spend money on you. So just shut the fuck up or you can be next. 27:32 You can be? Next. On what? I have no idea. What? Oh, she saved him as motherfucker. 27:40 Motherfucker. 27:42 But anyway, I'm going to go to your pals. 27:44 But you'll be next, what? 27:45 No, no, no. Start with Fiso. Start with Fiso. You want to start with your pals? 27:48 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to think DJing is easy in terms of like to just get there, play an hour and go home. Go to another gig, play an hour, collect money. Your shit is tiring, bro. Okay. Yo, bro. 28:03 I now learn to respect artists, dog. I mean, DJs. Okay. Yeah, bro. Do you know in the music space, DJs are the least people I respected. Like, because I never thought… Because they just get them to play music. Yeah, yeah, you understand. I thought you just get there and just play one song after the other. Well, our Black Coffee actually do perform. 28:22 Ah, they perform. 28:24 They perform disabled. 28:26 They perform as disabled. 28:28 That's the highlight of the performance. How can one guy do all of those things and those effects with one hand? Can we outgrow that shit? No, no, no. I mean, you are one to talk about outgrowing shit. You know what I mean? Calling people's partners hoes when you're drunk. And I send things you can't say sober. 28:42 But you say you call people's hoes all the time. 28:45 When they are. When they are. When they are. When they do porn, when they do OnlyFans, I call them hoes. When they cheat on their partners, I call them hoes. So yeah, that's it. 28:54 So yeah, I mean, respecting DJs… What does that have to do with what I was saying, bro? No, I'm just saying… If you want to address me, you can just address me straight. 29:02 No. Okay, address me, come on. 29:04 No, I'm not addressing you. I'm saying when you DJ with two hands, it's not as impressive as someone who DJs with one hand. Do you understand what I'm saying? 29:14 Shimsa is a better DJ than Kofi. 29:16 But Shimsa plays with two hands, unfortunately. So it is what it is. I mean, I don't really have respect for DJs the way they get respect in South Africa. Because they get free pussy. They get free alcohol. You know, they get to… I mean, come on. Anyone can get free pussy. You just need to be pretty. And accomplished. Yeah, you. 29:34 Yeah, but I just wanted to say that now that I started doing it, dog, I realized that these niggas work really hard, dog. Imagine having a set at 4am, dog. You're tired and you stand for an hour and you have to be moving for an hour. 29:47 Let's be desperate. 29:48 If someone can call me at 4am and demand that I'm there at 4am, damn it, they must have billions. I'm not getting out of bed at 4am. 29:56 I'm past that in my life. I'm 36 years old. That's what I did in my 20s. 30:00 Okay, that's what I wanted to say, man. I respect DJs now a lot. Because now I know how it feels like. It's not easy. But they do it and you still have to make people dance in the AMs, dog. That shit is not easy. And then I'm working on my project, dog. My album is beautiful. But now, I'm working on a song. 30:18 I wrote a song for Tracy. 30:21 Who else? Tracy. And I have Tracy in that song on Gosazanatota. But before we heard Gosazanatota, I was like, yo, bro, can we also add tattoo hats? Tracy looked at me and said, yo, if you do that, take me out. 30:34 Wait, you said... 30:37 Because he keeps cutting important conversations, dog. Just because he wants to be clipped. No, it's not that I'm asking who wrote that song. Fuck you, nigga. You're already on the show, bro. Relax. You're famous already. We made you relax. Or you made us. Come down. You are here. Thank you. The letter. We're not planning to fire you. You can't. 30:54 So relax. Can you please relax and allow the people to speak, dog? 30:58 I'm relaxed, dog. I'm chilled. Like I was last week. 31:01 Almost a year we're doing this show, we still have to ask you to speak. Almost a year we still have to ask you to speak. How are you going to speak? I'm going to speak. I'm going to speak. 31:14 You said, you said... I know. Fuck this nigga. 31:17 I'm tired now, bro. Let's go on to the next thing. Ask him what's his pulse. Yeah, but I want to stay on this. I want you to finish this one. Wait. Hold on. I'll give you a chance. Hold on. You have Tracy on the song. You have space for Zana. And then you want to do Ed Tatohad. 31:28 Ed Tatohad. She looked at me on some IMV. Ed Tatohad. I'm a man. You can take me out. I'm out. It's a beautiful song, bro. It's a beautiful song. She posted it on TikTok. 31:38 Was it because she feels like Tato won't fit on the song or is it because they do not fit? 31:41 I don't think that because of that. I think there's a clean beef there. 31:45 Clean pure beef. That beef is not healthy, that one. 31:48 But now she's on the song. The song isn't even out yet. Do you think she's going to be happy with you saying this on the show? Do you think Tracy's going to be happy with you saying this on the show? Now that you guys have studio sessions together. 31:59 Well, what's the problem? Did they say something wrong? You don't say anything wrong. Did you feel it's wrong? 32:03 It's not wrong. It's your truth. It's what she said. Huh? It's your truth. It's what she said. 32:09 No, no, no. She looked at me and be like, also I'm like, have you? 32:15 That's it. 32:17 She didn't open her mouth and say, I have you. No, no, no. She looked at me on some… Zakal. You know how looks speak louder than words, bro. Yeah? Yeah, it was just that look. Crazy, man. But she's been… But I saw she's deserving, bro. Tracy's been working really hard, bro. She's been… At the gym. 32:36 I'm asking. 32:38 Yes, Monotan. I dropped my girl off at the gym today. 32:42 I saw you doing… What's it called? I was with Tattoo at the gym the other day. 32:47 I was watching my girl. Watching my girl. I don't need big muscles. I make muscle men cry. Yeah. I make their eyes red. Like they're waking up at 5am for a flight at 6. So yeah. It's called the red eye flight. Okay. For professionals like me. 33:08 Can you also finish my sentence since you caught me again? From the bathroom, you already knew what I was talking about. Please finish what I was saying. No, no, no. Finish. Yeah, please finish. No. My bad, my bad. I'm light-skinned, but I'm not talking. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is not your bed. It's your mattress. 33:26 18K. 33:27 Like, you just came from the toilet. You didn't even give yourself a chance to hear what is this guy saying. You already knew what to say. 33:33 I was pissed off. Ah... 33:35 Pissed off my world, Mlodala? 33:38 By pissing. Ah, shit. 33:40 What's on your pulse, my dog? So, what's on my pulse is a continuation of, I guess, what Sviso was talking about in his pulse. Spotify AI is allowing people to remix songs. I mean... 33:51 Damn. As if we didn't need any other problems in this world. Is that anyone and everyone can now remix songs on Spotify. Create mashups and everything else. The things that we want DJs to be able to do in the club. To merge certain songs together. To mix them together. Now everyone is going to be allowed to do that. Now it's going to basically take or filter out the streams that original content is getting on Spotify. 34:15 Yeah. 34:15 And I think that... It's a very big problem how certain producers are embracing AI. 34:22 So we've discussed this, we've debated this maybe, I don't know, five or six times on the show already, how AI is basically cheating the entire system of artistry. 34:34 We ourselves have to work our asses off to get our music played on radio, sorry, to get it through the music committees, to... Get it, you know, out of the studio because in the studio is where it's made or broken. You know what I mean? You listen to the song in studio, you decide, okay, should we release this? Should we put this on platforms? So with that said, right now, people that have never had studio experience, have never had music before, can have computers give them the same respect that DJs get for music. remixing songs and now your favorite artist song if Hamba Juba is now remixed by people on AI you can have 15 different versions of it what happens to the artistic integrity of the original that you created what if one of those AI remixes blows up even higher than Hamba Juba you know yes you'll get paid you'll get your money you'll get your royalties right but beyond getting your money and your royalties The actual accomplishment of making a great song is something that you cannot buy. 35:31 That's why I was asking you about that song. 35:34 Is it Mama, ne? Is it Mama? 35:36 So Nota, why am I on your fucking pass, bro? 35:40 Oh, what's wrong? I'm not saying that you... 35:42 But you know, don't talk about shit like that. You know you're doing this shit on purpose, bro. 35:45 Okay, no, it's fine. 35:46 How many times did I say it? I don't know about that. Production, please. No, there's no... 35:54 Enforce on you when I can call him and stop him. 35:56 I can. 35:57 He's signed to me. Ah, relax. Ah, no, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. Don't do that. 36:03 Now, I must be answering nonsense, dog. Now, I'm going to talk to you. I'm going to talk to you. 36:21 I'm going to talk to you about link 45. 36:28 I packed him in. He won't leave. I packed him in. 36:31 I packed behind him. 36:33 Relax. 36:33 I can't keep ruining my life like this, this nigga. 36:36 Aye, chief. Aye, chief. Relax, dog. 36:38 You see? You know, aye, chief. You see? You fucked up. You fucking up my life. And for you, just aye, chief. Relax. Aye, chief. 36:46 Relax. 36:48 Aye, chief. Relax. I'm asking you nicely. Don't. 36:52 I left it. It's private. Okay, my bad. I was asking you a question. You can say I can't answer that. Simple. Why are you telling me? 37:00 If you come here every single week, you try to destroy my life, you try to destroy my reputation, I ask you a simple question. Relax, chief. No, chief. Chief. Chief, if you want to be you, be you. 37:13 Don't make it my fault, dog. 37:16 I'm going to my parents that love me. 37:18 It's fine. We'll call Slick Talk. 37:30 He doesn't mind. It's fine, I've got him on my T-shirt. 37:45 I hear you, Muratana. Imagine. Let me do the live read quickly. Let me carry on with the show. Aviatrix fans, this one's for you. Our partners at Hollywood Beds have over 280,000 rands in cash up for grabs every week, man. Play Aviatrix on Hollywood Beds to enter. Competition runs until 30 November for persons above the age of 18. T's and C's apply. Gamble responsibly. Shout out to Hollywood Beds, man. So, Muratana, on my pause this week, I wanted to talk about music. Yeah, lovely. Speaking about music, a lot of music dropped, right? 38:18 And I hate doing it at the end because we rushed through it, right? 38:23 I've honestly been enjoying, what is this, Youngstownest album? I think it's still one of the best. Still on the charts, it's like number seven now. Still number one on Spotify after the second week. On Spotify? 38:34 Yeah, it's still number one. Even after Sticks dropped. Blackie dropped. No, Sticks dropped on... Sorry. He dropped on Friday. 38:41 Yeah. 38:42 Sticks dropped on Thursday. Thursday night? 38:46 Okay. No, and Thursday, well, Wednesday night. Wednesday midnight, Thursday morning. 38:51 They dropped on the 5th, yes, on the 5th of November. 38:53 Yeah, exactly. Guy Fawkes Day. 38:55 Okay. 38:56 Remember, remember, the 5th of November. Remember, we used to celebrate us who were born in the early 90s, like 1990. Those who were born in the 80s, 87 and so. Guy Fawkes. Like, you know, my mama Zala. 39:09 Sol, Penduka, Ghost Lady, Mac, you know. 39:14 We used to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day. And Guy Fawkes was a very important occasion because it was the plot to overthrow the British government, to blow up parliament because it had gunpowder stored under it. And the guy who came up with that plot, his name is Guy Fawkes. He never actually did it, right? He never actually blew up parliament. So fortunately for the UK parliament, it survived that. Our parliament was actually burnt down. 39:39 Okay. 39:39 We have a real Guy Fawkes in South Africa. You know what I mean? A guy who actually burnt down parliament had them doing their parliamentary sessions under a tent. Going to the ICC, booking different venues, you know… 39:50 That's why it's called Guy Fawkes Day. 39:51 Guy Fawkes Day. So it's a very big day. The fact that people were celebrating Halloween, artists were busy wearing costumes and everything else, shows how much we've lost our culture. Because we want to be part of TikTok trends that are trending in America. Why are we celebrating Halloween? It's a one day thing. Guy Fawkes is also a one day thing. Guy Fawkes is about overthrowing the British government. The British government that colonized us. Of course. We've got a real reason to support Guy Fawkes. You didn't watch the movie V for Vendetta? No. It was like a new Guy Fawkes. You know what I mean? That's why he wore the Guy Fawkes mask and everything else. 40:23 So I guess for me, it's like, yes, music is dropping. But the music is not part of the zeitgeist. And that's why it's not sticking. You know what I mean? That's why artists are being asked stupid questions in interviews because their music has absolutely no substance. 40:39 If you listen to Mira Makeba's songs... No, I don't think the reason why they're being asked stupid questions is because their music is shared. 40:45 Yeah, but we'll get back to that. 40:47 It's your pulse, right? Okay, well, look. You listen to the Styx album. Yes, the music is nice, it's dope, but what is the message? 40:54 No, but remember, he's always done like, you know, it's still on. 40:57 And what is the message on the songs? 40:59 Uh, groove. 41:01 Um, obviously on some spiritual type of music. Spiritual, or gospel. 41:07 Is it really deeply gospel? 41:09 Not necessarily. You understand? It's touching. But spiritual isn't necessary. 41:12 It's watered down. I mean, spiritual can also mean amadroz. It's not necessarily like gospel. Yeah, but that's gospel. Anything that's got to do with some religion or something is gospel. It's faith music. Let's say it's faith music. Yeah, in general. Okay. Under that bracket, is it deep gospel? No, but he never made music like that. He was always like, just touch and go. That's what I'm saying about the music itself, is that it's not really there. It's watered down. And that's why the response to the music is not as powerful. Abandon Abaco was a strong, powerful gospel song. 41:42 And can you believe it's the last Amapiano hit that has ever been made? 41:46 Navy's Prayer's good. 41:47 It's not Amapiano. 41:52 Navy's Prayer is like a continuation of the three-step gospel hits like Bengi Kela was last year. Do you understand? Those are hits because they are deeply rooted. 42:06 To be fair, to the rest of the world, that is Amabiano. The only one necessary when I say three-step to the rest of the world is Amapiano. 42:13 As long as it's dance music from South Africa, it's Amapiano right now. But let's leave Amapiano out of it in a genre specific. What music dropped in 2026 can we say we can take to 2027 and beyond? We can take 10 years from now. 2036. 42:26 I think one of the songs has to be Remember that we can take. One. There's a couple of songs that are going to come out of Young Sun's album. Songs like Amangayewa. Umu Uke. What's that other one with Tokozum Kizana that's doing well? It's doing well. Do you understand what I'm saying? There's songs that are going to come out of that album that are going to do well. The intro from Masterpiece's album. Did you hear the intro song? 42:48 No, I didn't listen to Masterpiece's album. I told you that I'm trying to make you more famous than him. Why would I listen to his album? 42:54 Wow. 42:54 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 42:56 All right. 42:56 And then... Again, I got a listening session. You don't want me to listen, right? You didn't invite me. You disinvited me. You invited everybody else. What do you mean who disinvited me? No, he didn't. He invited me. No, no, no, no. And then he called the producers like, yeah, no. Everyone can come except for Nota. No, that's... I actually asked him about that. Everyone can listen except for Nota. Nota's not going to listen to Masterpiece's music. That wasn't for the album. Gokos Koten, you will listen to that. That was for the studio camp. It doesn't matter. That was for the studio camp. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I told you who I am. Hold on. I told you who I am face to face in front. 43:27 You go behind my back and try diss me to my team. Try and make me seem like I'm radioactive or something. I'm not a nuclear bomb, nigga. 43:36 Relax. Relax. 43:38 you should be honored that I'd be in your presence, in your little listening session, studio session, stream, whatever. You understand what I'm saying? So if you disrespect me, dog, I've got no respect for you. 43:46 Okay, let's go through the music quickly. Destiny Sticks is number one. Destiny by Sticks, actually. It's number one. 43:51 Okay. 43:52 And that features the likes of Nacho, obviously, Babalu and Em. 43:55 Is it Nacho or Nucho? 43:56 You call him Nucho, I call him Nacho. People call him Nacho. It's got Zwaitoven. It's got The Rose, G-Sex, Nanette, Tracy's on here also. How's that sounding? How are you liking it? I like the album. Yeah. 44:12 I like the album. I like it. You know what I mean? As for album of the year, I doubt it. But it's one of those albums I can listen to because the music is good enough for me to clean my house too. 44:23 That's a good album, man. If you're playing it when you're cleaning your house, that's your time. Exactly. And I get groovy. 44:29 You understand what I'm saying? I get groovy. So it's something that's going to get me to wash the dishes nicely, you know, dry them, hang them up, put them back in the cupboard, you know, clean the floor, mop. You know, I'm serious. 44:41 It's still a good album. If you can enjoy something that you hate doing because of the music that you're listening to, for me, that's good music. So it's good music, right? 44:50 I don't see it on the charts because on the charts, it's all about TikTok music. 44:54 Like on the top 10 or whatever, the songs. 44:56 No, the songs themselves. 44:58 Are they not listed in playlists? They're not also. 44:59 They're listed in playlists that people are playing, but I don't see it being played at Groove. 45:05 You know, unless you arrive there early. 45:07 But remember, with new albums, people always catch up late and then get the singles out. They always catch up late. Did they catch up to Sam Deep's album? 45:17 That... What is... Oh, no, no, no. But it had... It had lead singles. It had lead singles. 45:21 It did, but Izo Spana was like... Mild. Ama Hem Hem was bigger than Izo Spana. Because of this Java Tatu Hatsi collab. You know what I mean? That's Sean Music. 45:30 Sean Music should not be outranking... No, man. But Sam Deep's album... Sam Deep. 45:35 What was that lead singles? 45:36 It was released last year. 45:37 Yeah, well... No, that... 45:38 It was an EP. Who I Am. The one with the hot sauce on it, the Tabesco thing. No, man, no. The album Who I Am, that was dropped. Last year. No, it was last year. Okay. With Shella and everything else. But you see, he dropped an EP this year, which has like four songs. 45:52 Oh, Dipler Sauce. The Dipler Sauce. Yes. 45:55 Not Tabesco. Dipler Sauce. And that Rapela. Rapela. You understand? That's a nice song, right? But it's not a Shella. 46:02 It's like a decline. And Am I Hem Hem is bigger than that. 46:05 Oh, that song's like Vela P. Oh, Vela P. I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but no, this is like an EP. You can't compare an EP to like a full-on project like Who I Am. 46:14 Can you not? 46:15 You can't. 46:16 Okay, Shasha's first release was what? An EP. Something Soweto's first release was what? An EP. Is that an EP? 46:24 Is it? It should be an album. It should be an album. Okay, maybe. And then what else came out, Munatana, that you're listening to currently? People are complaining about Lala Tugzin. 46:34 Lala Tugzin's album? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's got... Look... 46:40 He's got a mountain to climb. Three-step, you know, is a sound that's become saturated. Very saturated. And unfortunately, it didn't do what… Saturated? Yeah, it's everywhere. Three-step is everywhere. Almost every… Tom, Dick and Harry started making three-step as soon as it popped off. 46:55 Yeah, but not a lot of people are blowing up from three-step. The last people to properly blow up from three-step... Navy's prayer is three-step. 47:02 But that's because of DJ Zintly. No, it's not. Because she dropped with... What's his name? Navy. 47:09 Yeah. 47:09 Navy Wom Kulu. She dropped with Navy Wom Kulu on her album. And that had lots of three-step songs. But until she put Navy at the forefront... where South Africans could say, oh, Zintle is introducing a new star to us. And they've also got Youngstana on a song. It didn't really pop off the way. That's why this song is much bigger than the other songs that she did. And I mean, she's been working with this Navy Womkulu. As soon as she was at the forefront, people didn't support because they've seen her before. Right? Three Step is still able to produce a new star. 47:37 New people are like enticing. 47:39 They are enticing. Because South Africans... 47:42 don't like seeing the same people being supported all the time. South Africa supports you until you get to the finish line. Once you've crossed the finish line and you've got a medal around your neck, they want to find someone else. 47:51 Is there a finish line in the music industry? When you get to the top of the charts, that's the finish line. Not really. I don't think there's a finish line. Who's made it to the finish line and said, this is the finish line. Now I've cut the ribbon and shit. 48:01 Bori? Gabza? I don't think they hit the finish line. 48:05 The finish line is like retirement for me. 48:07 What can they do beyond Scorpion King's FNB stadium? 48:12 International. 48:13 We're international. Soap and Luka's amazed that these guys are doing a two-man show. 48:17 Bro, Sol just walked in pulses. Are you going to come join us? What? Soap and Luka walked off, man. 48:22 Yeah, Australia. 48:24 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Thank you, man. 48:27 He fired himself. 48:29 I'm going to go pee. Are you good? 48:30 No, wait. There's a microphone. You'll pee. You'll pee. You'll pee. 48:33 No, no, no. 48:35 Go pee and come back and be comfortable. 48:36 And I also wanted to grab the plate and eat. 48:39 Yeah. Nah, man, we got a lot of time. Can't come through. We need you. We need you. 48:42 Spiso has fired Spiso before. We need his advice. On whether he should be fired again. Who? 48:48 The guy who walked off. Yeah, Jala Tugzin. I want you to, let's talk about the album. It's called Ember. 48:53 Yeah. The only song that people like actually is so weird. It's Bonane. Yeah. And that features Zé Mgeba. MC Geba. The remake. Of what? 49:03 Who was that? Was that DJ Call Me or something? Is it not DJ Bongs? 49:10 DJ Bongs. Okay, yeah. DJ Bongs. Sorry, I saw DJ Call Me being booked by my soul. And that's why I thought about that. But yeah. 49:18 People ask, is that Spoo? Yeah, Spoo. Spoo. 49:22 Yeah, Spoo must come here because… After what? After Soul was managed by Swiso. He started, hold on, come here, Swoo. Nah, at least Swoo. At least Swoo. Let's do a show. Let's do a show. 49:34 I want you to talk about Jalotooks and the album. Yeah, no. It's a dope album. It's dope? Yeah, it's a dope album. 49:39 I won't lie. It is a dope album. But it's not a great album. And unfortunately, and I was saying this on another platform, right? Just because you're the best doesn't mean you're great. Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay. Soul is a great producer. Okay. He's not the best producer. He's a great producer. 49:56 Let me tell you why. 49:58 If he was the best producer, right, he'd be making the best hits consistently all the time. But the songs that he has made are great songs. 50:10 I'd like to think I'm going to know one song and do the song, man. Which one? Oh, I know two. I know the recent one, the Sutu one. Yeah. 50:21 And that was mostly Kata, to be honest. Yeah, that was mostly him. Which other ones I hate? He used to do remixes. Tribal house remixes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were still like in primary school. He was a tribal house pioneer. But I'm cooking a lot of things now. I'm cooking more music now. So the stuff I'm releasing now, it's 80% me. If not 100% produced entirely by me. A lot of people judge me because of the podcast. But see, the guy who talks too much, because generally producers have a certain demeanor, image. 50:52 It's shy guys, quiet guys. You know what I mean? So a lot of people are like, ah, they still take my work lightly. But also, I've been releasing lightly as well. So fair enough. 51:05 No, no, I'm not a light guy. But I am bright. Oh, yeah, yeah. What are you listening to, man? Okay, I guess I'm going to watch, but Swiso was here. Yeah, Swiso was here. 51:13 And he left. Yeah, he left. And you guys are podcasting, man. 51:17 So, you pissed him off. He pissed him off. And he just walked out. No, he said something about ****** because Swiso said he has some ****** so there's some things he can't speak about. And instead of refusing to speak about it, he just walked off. And he's like, this guy's trying to get him into trouble. Trying to ruin his life. And imagine, what does he do every week? 51:36 Trying to ruin my life. 51:36 Yeah, you guys are like, you know, go ahead. No, I don't do that. In the beginning, he called us Spiso. There's lots of things I could say. There's lots of things I could say. So what a... What was the conversation around? Let me give you the backstory. Let me explain. I want to give you the backstory. This guy. Sorry, pastors. I know you guys saw this happen, but I need an update. 51:55 This guy went to speech in the beginning of the show. Yeah. He was like, you're trying to ruin my life. You're calling people hoes when you're drunk. Things you can't, you can't say when you're sober. Yes, yes. I once lost his show. Okay. And then he got, I think he just got triggered from that. And then the **** just made it worse. 52:10 That's why he stepped off. Oh, wow. Mama Zala wa mintang ayako. 52:15 Just so you know. That's all. The guy I'm looking at. 52:19 He's 39. 52:19 Whoa, your mother-in-law is 39. It's your heart. 52:30 I can be a stepfather So I can be a stepfather I can be I can sign you I can sign you I can sign you She's your type Because I like mature women She's your type For real She's your type Except I'm off the market No, no, no Yeah, I know you're off your market But like Nah, I won't lie Body for body Your woman and her, like... Yeah. Body for body, like... What do you mean? I've seen these women. So in a different world... Code 14. No, his woman is not on Code 14. No, he's not on Code 14. 53:00 Remember what Boris said? No, he's referring to the viral video. No, that was a long time ago. That was three years ago. That was three years ago? 53:13 Three years ago. 53:13 Yeah, that was many months ago. 53:15 Three years ago. 53:16 Yeah. So what's up? What are we talking about? We're talking about music, man. Yeah. We're into albums now. We're talking about Blackie now. Blackie. Did you listen to it? 53:25 Thank you, Yena. 53:26 Yena, Yena. 53:27 Oh, because Gabo Canel also dropped. Yeah, it dropped. Gabo Canel's dropping like an album, but it's like in three parts. It just dropped part two. Oh, yeah, not part two. It's amazing. Please listen. There's a song there. Why is Gabo Canel not on the top of the charts? He makes the most amazing music. I don't know what's up with Gabo, bro. That's what I'm saying. 53:43 Gabo Canel is in the top... Doesn't mean you're great. And just because you're great... No, he's a great producer. He's a great... Yes, he's a great... He's a great... You're not listening to what I'm saying. No, you're saying you're not the best. Just because... He's amazing. You're the best, it doesn't mean you're great. Gabba Canel is great. He's amazing. But he's not the best right now. Why? Why do you like him? You're a DJ. 54:02 You play the music. Listen to the song called Ubu Fagas, right? Okay. It's amazing. It's like... Evidence. Mahopa. Tribal, almost... 54:11 Ah, your type. But he always scores. 54:14 That's Kaba. Ah, yeah, relax. 54:15 Since you mentioned the... 54:17 Relax. Relax. Relax. 54:19 But yo, there's a song, Ubu Fagazi. Yo, bro, amazing. This whole project, this part two is incredible, bro. Yo, Kaba is so different. Did you listen to part one of that? I did. In fact, he sent all of them to me. It's a continuation. 54:36 Privately, I've had them. What's the story there? What's the... Narrative. 54:39 What's the arrangement? I don't know. I need to listen to the whole... I listened to it like two months ago. Oh, okay. But now people are tagging me because Fairly T tagged me on this. 54:47 Have you listened to it to pick songs you're going to play in your set? 54:50 No, I've just listened to it grooving, driving. For a set? I haven't consciously listened to it for a set. That's why even this song, I'd heard it, but now I don't know why. And that's the thing about music sometimes. You hear a song... 55:02 today, and you hear it three months later, you're like, oh, this song is special. I don't know now, since it's out, I give it a different ear. But there's a song called Ubu Fagazi. It should be a big song. I don't know about whether it's the label, because yes, I know it's distributors, but sometimes distributors can give you a bit of assistance with, you know, getting that cover on Spotify, getting your song playlisted, because also, the Spotify playlisting is so unfair. If you go on the piano grooves, a playlist, it's just... 55:32 It's garbage. 55:33 How much shit is garbage, eh? Do you know Fiona? Fiona. 55:38 Exactly, that's why. You don't know these people personally. That's what gets you the proper... It's not a Biola situation. It should be a Biola situation. So if they know you on a first name basis, they know you, they recognize you, if you're cool with Carl Anderson, Greg Carlin, etc, etc, at Apple Music, you get more playlists. That's why the majors... That's unfair though, bro. 56:02 Then what about the music, man? 56:03 And then when they get more... What about the music? What about the music? 56:05 What about the music? Now, when they're catching smoke, you distance yourself. I don't. I don't distance yourself. Like you did last week with this guy from Metro FM. Oh, Nati. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 56:14 Okay, so. 56:15 But I get you. Let's be honest. I mean, you used to also be part of the biggest artists in the country. And you guys got your stuff played there. So you do have a relationship with Nati. But last week, you were very, very quiet. 56:26 No, hold on. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Is that... 56:31 Do you understand what I'm saying? It's like even before you were at YFM, I was already at YFM promoting launches of the LES. 56:37 But if your Khrutmans do something wrong or something that's fishy, you ought to call them out, especially because of the seat you're in. I'm sitting here, right? 56:45 We're all able to say what we want to say. Hold on. 56:49 Well, actually, maybe. Maybe, actually. Yeah, you shouldn't pamper them. No, I'm not pampering them. Even when they saw you in diapers. You shouldn't pamper them. But they treat me well because they saw me in diapers. That's the thing. So now you're pampering them now. No, I've been pampered my whole life. Do you understand? I've had an easier route than people who came from obscurity. Then Saul Penduka, who comes there. But you can't be all aggie-haggies with people who are doing wrong things. What do you mean? Because... Where was I ever paid bribes? Because a guy came and he was saying, Nazi's trying to destroy you. 57:20 Okay, I've never paid a bribe, ever. Ever. Ever. 57:23 Ever. Do you understand what I'm saying? I've never had to. Do you understand? When I wanted better playlisting at MTV. But you said you guys once bought awards though. What do you mean? What do you mean? We never bought the awards. We lost trying to buy the awards. 57:37 Then you came back and bought it the next time. No, we never. No, no. 57:39 You lost at the Summers and you went to the Metros. We went for the Metros. The Summers we won because we had the highest playlisting songs, the most points. We couldn't lose. 57:48 The way you narrated it, it was we learned our lessons from the ones we lost, that we came back, played the game, and we swept out at the following awards. 57:57 No, we understood. We took our L at the metros because those were for sale, right? We spent, we tried to buy the award. We bought the upsets though. We bought the hype so that people can say, how did these guys not win when we saw them campaigning harder than anybody else? So we bought the upsets. 58:12 But we couldn't buy the record of the year. You're joining us? It's got two great songs. You've told them about your songs? Which ones? Which ones? There's a song with Timon Express. Yeah, I know about that one. The one with Donald Hay. Is it out? 58:26 The one that they're promoting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful song. 58:28 Is it out? Okay, it's fine. I don't know. You stay, right? No, no. 58:32 Just sit with us, man. No, man. Where's my food? I'm hungry. No, man. 58:36 I want to go eat. No, man. 30 minutes. 30 minutes. Okay, so check out the Gabo Kana album. What other album? 58:44 No, this is his pulse. We're still continuing his pulse. He wants us to talk about music because we haven't spoken about music in a long time. Yes, music pulse. 58:50 Let's Piso come in. Stix as well dropped a beautiful album. 58:52 Throw him there, throw him there. 58:54 Stix dropped a beautiful album. I'm still into it, though. I'm still listening to it. Yeah, we spoke about that already. I want us to talk about Blackie. Did you listen to Blackie's album? I listened to Blackie's album. I skimmed through it. 59:01 Did you come through, man? I skimmed through it. Guys, I'm out. Let me eat. Oh, but we just put a chair for his feet. 59:07 Oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay, cool, okay. 59:09 Take us serious. We're serious people, chief. Okay. We're serious people. Can I nibble at least? I'm hungry, man. You can't be hungry in podcast. Nibble here. Nibble here. 59:16 Nibble here. Nibble over now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 59:19 That's what I mean. Chill is loud, dog. No, you can eat on camera, dog. It's seven colors. Yes, I can. As long as I don't speak with food in my mouth. No, no, no. Podcast and Chill feeds better than Netflix. 59:32 Damn. You good, bro? And Netflix, you're good, bro. You're good, bro. You're good, bro. 59:41 It's like you're rapping now. You're on the mic. Drop them bars, my dog. And then Blackie, Yena. 59:48 Blackie, Yena, come on. I mean, it's a skim through. No great songs on it. Nothing amazing. You know, he's just making music on automation. That's all it is. There's nothing to be excited about. Do you know what I mean? 60:03 And it's sad. 60:05 That's the state. But he's got fans that support him. That's why he was probably able to debut at number two behind second week Youngstana, which is surprising because I thought Youngstana would drop down. But clearly, the relationships that the majors have at Spotify with the playlisting assisted him to maintain more than one million streams per week for two weeks in a row. 60:23 It's a good album, that's why. I don't think it's going to do with the majors. 60:27 No Tomato versus his current album. What do you think, Sol? I think he's current. 60:34 Can't beat Not To Matter, dog. Yeah, Not To Matter is a classic, bro. But I think also the album is still new. Not To Matter is a classic. 60:41 You're the one that said that album is just full of features. There's no songs that actually stand out. No, the album itself is a classic. 60:46 But it didn't show us Youngstana's full range. 60:50 Okay, okay. Look, man, I feel like with Youngstana, remember, Not To Matter will always be a great album because we didn't know much of Youngstana. 60:58 Mm. 60:58 And when he came out, it was like, yo, this new kid, new voice. But now, because he's on so many big songs, Cabso's big songs, and he does that thing he always does at the break where he goes very spiritual. So now he's almost very spoiled by Youngstana. So he's continuing on the same trajectory. So... 61:18 The impact is not hitting us like the first album, but it's still a beautiful album. Minza said it's too early to tell whether it's going to be a classic, but it's a beautiful album. But of course, we've been hearing Youngstana Yeah, it took so long without an album, but it's been very visible and it's been current. So it's very difficult to tell. And I think we always rush too much to compare this work versus this work. The album is like what? Four weeks old? Four weeks old. Come on. Which one? Spiso for you, as it stands. You imagine. So let's give it some time, bro. 61:48 Everybody share their opinion. Young Star, Notumalo, or Busisiwe? 61:52 It's dope, man. 61:54 What's your favorite song from there? 61:57 Tastes taste, though. On your mic, on the mic. It was. It was a wham. You said that's a song you always start your stage with, right? It was a wham, yeah, yeah. When you DJ. 62:03 It was a wham. And then, when I play Scuba, I start with Umshin. Umshin. Umshin. Umshin. Umshin. 62:10 Umshin. Umshin. 62:12 That album is fire, man. Yeah. I can't fault it. And Youngstanner music takes time. Youngstanner's music takes time to… Really? It's not tomato. It's in the stew. 62:24 To, like, blow up. It doesn't blow up. Only Adiwele blew up immediately. 62:28 Yeah, instantly. Alright. Adiwele is, like, the biggest song that has never benefited the actual lead artist. 62:37 It benefited... No touching. Mawelele dropped up. What do you mean? What do you mean? 62:44 No. It benefited no touching. Remember, we're not allowed to touch on her. 62:51 No touching? 62:51 No touching. That's Waffle's face that's covered there. Oh, why are you not touching on her? 62:56 We're not allowed to. I have no idea. I don't know. Why? I don't know. Who put the rule of no touching? He just put it today. He put it today. 63:04 Yeah, I removed my autograph. What are you giving me a drink or something? No, no, I was just pointing at that. Zeus said no touching. Waffles. Who did you tell? Because she's Kai's. 63:13 I guess. 63:14 Because she's what? Because she's Kai's. I guess she's dating Kai. 63:22 Ah, come on. 63:23 Nah, man. Look, she benefited, but... Come on. Youngstown benefited a lot. Youngstown benefited way more. Youngstown benefited way more. Yeah, yeah. Youngstown blew up from Adiwele. Breakout hits. 63:33 Okay, what's her breakout hits? What's her breakout hits? What's her breakout hits? I'm with no show on this one. 63:39 She's a beautiful girl. Her breakout hit is Adiwele. 63:42 No, the song launched her. 63:44 No, she launched the song. 63:47 When that video... No, the song was big. No, it wasn't. 63:49 Julius Malema was doing the... No. No, it was after. 63:53 That wasn't Julius Malema. The challenge. It had a dance, Julius Malema. I understand. It was DJing. The song blew up. Hold on. Wait, Adi Welle was not the only hit song on that album. It's not. It's not the only hit song on that album, right? That video... But it's the biggest. That video blew up that song. And then Ricky Rick was then dancing with her. 64:15 After that song. Nah, that song was big already, bro. No, dog. That viral video of her playing the song, that's what made the song big. That's what made the song number one, dog. There were lots of big songs that year. 64:24 That year especially. Come on, dog. Let's be honest. 64:28 She made that song blow up. And the song made her blow up. It was symbiotic. Yes, it was symbiotic. But Youngstana himself did not reap the fruits. That she did. Exactly. She's got an international career. That's exactly what I'm saying. He will never have an international career. 64:41 Youngstown is not like a sexy girl, cute face. Unfortunately, he's got ugly toes. Yeah, so that worked for her. He does have ugly toes. Come on, that worked for her. So that worked for her. And it's on that basis. And obviously management. But the basis was she was a sexy female. And then what made it worse? Drake. posted it or liked it or commented on it. Would he have posted it if it was just Youngstana? Hold on. It's not. 65:04 And female... It's not. It's God-given talent to make her that beautiful that Drake is like, my type. Post. But okay, but how is that Youngstana's fault, bro? It's not Youngstana's fault. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I want to ask. 65:17 I want to ask. How is that Uncle Waffle's fault? It's not. It's not. 65:21 It's hot girl privilege. 65:23 Lack skin privilege, hot girls privilege, all these privileges. When Sam wasn't getting booked, he wasn't getting booked because he's not a hot girl. 65:30 No, when he wasn't getting booked. Now that he's getting booked, he's not getting booked because he's a hot girl. He's getting booked because he's on the biggest podcast and he's an accomplished DJ from the past. 65:39 But also give credit to the management. The management is also doing the work. Yeah, because... 65:44 The moment launched her. 65:46 The beauty launched her. But for her to be around, relevant at these big stages, it is management and the relationships that maybe they have. 65:55 Would they like it or not? 65:56 No, the relationships that people want to have with her. People book Uncle Waffles hoping that they can get past Kai. Oh, yeah. He's a bodyguard as well. He makes sure she doesn't get body. 66:06 Now we have to move on from this. Mawele Lesfiso dropped. Pretty girls listened to Mawele. Did you listen to it? Did you get a chance? 66:12 I did. I got a chance to listen to it. And I was supposed to go to his listening session. They say people didn't like it. A lot of people that went there, they say it was disorganized. 66:22 they couldn't even get a clear view clear view to like they said they were complaining about the spot they said it was not the best spot to do a listening session where was this somewhere in something I think so they were complaining about that but the music you know Mauele will never miss it's always gonna give you the right music a little bit similar a lot of a couple of things you realize on features though Yeah, but that's why I said a little bit similar on... I don't understand why he didn't want to feature Naledi, but then he has a lot of collaborations there. 66:53 Naledi's trouble. Wait, but didn't they date and break up? Would you feature Naledi again in your life? 67:00 Why would an African lady again? 67:02 She's trouble. What kind of trouble? She's too much. 67:05 She's a handful. For real? Naledi. Naledi. She's a ticking time bomb, dog. You never know what you're going to get with her, dog. She's a mixed bag. Dog, she nearly ruined his relationship. The thing that he's making all this money for. to have a relationship, to raise his kids one day, to start a family and retire. She tried to ruin that for him. Just for content, dog. 67:25 But you see now, you see now, so I haven't learned. So whatever it is that I'm saying is going to be taken out of context. 67:33 Okay, sorry, my bad. 67:33 Because you didn't allow me to learn. You understand what I'm saying? So what I was trying to say is that the album is dope, the music is fire, but a lot of things that he did in the album are not new in terms of the context. I mean, the concepts are different, right? But the music, it's kind of sound the same. I don't be like melodies, same melodies. Some melodies are similar to other songs. You get what I'm saying? Not to say they're bad, but collaborations. So if he wanted to do something different, he should rely less on collaborations. 68:04 You understand? 68:06 Because when he was interviewed, he said he wanted to do something different from what he always does. So the only thing different he did this time around is not to feature a lady. I was expecting a feature from a lady. You understand? But also, that's a winning formula for him. Why would you beat a formula? Why would you change a formula that is working for you? That relationship type, yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have to do with dating or not dating. To be honest with you, I don't even think they dated ever. No, they never dated. Yeah, I'm just being honest with you. I don't know if they ever dated. So she just, she just like, not I used to say, Scott knows how to clickbait the internet, knows how to provoke the internet. 68:39 No, she said that. 68:39 She's good at it. No, but she said that. I'm not saying that they dated. I'm not saying that they pretended to date. Dao had said that. She said that. 68:46 I was wrong. 68:46 No, she said they pretended to date. Oh, yeah. She said it. She said that at the launch. Like, yeah, we tried to do a relationship for content and then Maurelo caught feelings and then his Chinese girl got small eyes and then all of a sudden it was over. 68:58 All right. And then Intando got three by Limbe Crazy. That was a listening session that happened this past week. I didn't even know about it. 69:06 Okay, what does Intando mean? Love. The will. No, will. The will. That's what Tato means. 69:12 That's Tato Madonsela's name. 69:15 Now, Tato said his name means love. 69:18 Imagine a guy who doesn't know what his own name means. 69:22 That's the L he has to take. 69:26 You were saying? Yeah, how's it sounding? The will of God. 69:31 Look, I haven't listened to Lee McCraezy's new music, right? But he's also one of the most underrated artists that we've got in this country. He's one of the most underrated, you know what I mean? Yeah. Last time I saw him, was that the gig that you had me booked for? They paid me a lot of money thanks to Tahi. He was negotiating for me on my behalf. What the... We don't have to go there. 69:55 It's fine. Why do we have to go there? Why do we talk about money on public platforms? No, you don't do that. 70:02 Okay, you and I don't do that. So it was inspired by Swiso. It was a turn. 70:12 So, you know, for me, it's just that I think that the Amapiano fraternity really abandons its own. Unless you are part of a certain powerful clique, unless you are endorsed by Malaji, etc., etc., you don't really get the support that you should be getting. You know what I mean? There's no way that… Lima Crazy, the guy who Tyler entirely made a song and a mood about. 70:40 You understand? Just to celebrate him and his influence on her, you know, should be rated as one of the artists that we don't even get a chance to listen to his album because it's underpromoted. Like, that's really shocking. If you're an A&R talent developer or anything, you know that the money is on that guy's voice. He's got golden vocals, even live performance wise. He performed well. He sang well in the rain, dog. 71:01 That's why my question was, that was my next question. Do we underrate him or do they underrate him as a team? They're not doing enough work with him. They're just relying on like TikTok and social media for the song to blow up and then that's it. I think he's got one of the most laziest team in the country. 71:19 We don't underrate him. We don't underrate him. 71:22 They're sitting on gold. They're sitting on gold. You hired a team that will work you and make sure that you're out there gigging. Right. If you are not sitting... on your team, on their necks, fire under their ass, who do they account to? Because you're the guy that pays them, right? At the end of the day. But has he put together his own team? No, no, no, no. 71:43 He's got a situation with the keeper and them. So I don't know what kind of... Because there's artists, there's Cam's way, and artists is almost like the boss. And then there's camps where you're assigned to a label and they're also management. Then they assigned people to handle you. So I don't know if he's in that kind of camp where he's the boss who picks who's going to do what in his team. I don't know. 72:05 So on behalf of his fans, I don't think he's underrated. His team underrates him. 72:11 They're not selling him enough. Keep underrated. Yeah. I don't know what Bill they have. No, that's his team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They rate Scots higher. His team underrates him. But also, if I have two artists as a label now, let me be a keeper now. As a record label owner. Don't follow up your bike. 72:28 Why follow me? No, no, Gipa fell off a quad bike. Oh, did he? A quad bike? Yeah, no, he was just playing around. 72:35 Oh, that's what's happened. Yeah, you're a Gipa now, sorry. 72:37 But if I don't know the context of that shit… Yeah, that was confusing if you don't know that. They'll catch it in the comments. So, what I was trying to say is that if I have… As a recorded label boss, right? Gipa will always look at… who works harder. Even at work, in any business, in any business, you always look at your best performer. 72:58 But it's because Puma had a day job, so he's obviously a harder worker. He had a salary day job. Started as an artist. He's always been an artist. He's never worked a day in his life. Sometimes as management, you need to know the capabilities of your artists. You understand what I'm saying? 73:16 If you remember, Sol, or if you remember, there's a conversation once I had a couple of times before. And the conversation was, the question was, between Limeke and Scott's Mapuma, who's going to last? And remember what did I say? 73:30 You said Scott was going to last. And remember why I said Scott was going to last? Because he was able to innovate himself. He started as a musician. 73:36 It's going to be relevant. But hold on. Whose songs are lasting right now? 73:40 The songs themselves. The quality of the songs. The konganj is konganj. 73:45 Gwilang, still playing Gwilang. Yeah, going home still fucks shit up. 73:50 No, no, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong with that one. But okay, don't you think that because he had bigger classics, he relaxed. It got him comfortable. 73:58 I'll tell you what the reason is. What was the reason? What was the reason? 74:02 Okay. If you're a singer, you can't drink alcohol. 74:05 Bro, do we chill around these people that much that we can pinpoint the problem and say, this guy drinks a lot? Okay, hold on. Donald, right? We see them drinking. 74:13 Donald, how old is Donald now? He's 40 or something. Yeah. Right? Still got golden vocals. Still soothes your wife. Your wife can be angry at you. You take her. Donald is singing. All of a sudden, your wife is calm. 74:25 He's an R&B guy. 74:26 That's how he's branded himself. It's not about branding himself. It's the quality of his voice at this day and age. Does it make voice still quality? 74:34 I don't think it's 40 quality. I don't think it's 50 quality. I don't think it's gigging at 50 quality. If you're a good singer, you need to last long, dog. You need to be performing on stages like... 74:44 I already know he's consuming alcohol beyond the point where it's healthy. Because I've seen him. 74:48 You know what I'm saying? 74:49 No, man, you swim at night. That's what we do at night. You haven't chilled with him on a Monday at three o'clock in the afternoon. I have. 74:56 I've been to his house. I go to his house all the time. I don't talk about the meetings I have with people. Focalistic comes and talks about it and tells people my business. Did you tell him about his intake? I'm not going to discuss that. I went to his house under carpet. You understand what I'm saying? And you told him that I am... No, I bought 24 of Corona. How much is it? 200 rand or something? 300, yeah. No, it was 200 rand. Yeah, I got it for 200. Yeah, whatever. 75:20 By the table. I want to know if you told him to cut down, to slow down with alcohol. Yes. Told who? 75:26 That's why I bought the Corona because they were drinking VSOP. I was like, dog, you can't be drinking VSOP. Yeah. You understand? It's going to burn your voice. Okay, drink Corona at least. I was trying to taper him down, dog. You're drinking brown spirits. You understand what I'm saying? That's going to make your judgment impaired. 75:42 You understand what I'm saying? Scott's Mapuma. He might smoke weed, but he looks like a sober person every time I see him. He doesn't look like he drinks as much as the other guys. I don't know. 75:52 Scott stopped smoking. Stop smoking weed. And I think he cut down on alcohol a lot. That's why he's gaining weight. He looks the way he's looking now. 76:03 Do you understand what I'm saying though? Can you see the difference? So if you hang around guys that will drink with you and everything else, Bob Mapena doesn't look like a big drinker. Because that guy looks sober every single time. He's there hyping him up. After they perform, they go to studio, they're on TikTok at 4am in the morning, they still got energy, they're still hyped up, you know. But if you're hungover every other day, you can't perform the way you should be performing. You're on and off here. You understand? You're not showing up for features when you should be showing up for features when you're getting cold. You know? 76:33 Unfortunately, the lifestyle now impacts your output. And I think that the lifestyle that Lee Mack is living is not consistent with a singer. Lyra doesn't drink. That's why she's able to recover from having a stroke and come back on stage and sing. Because she doesn't drink. Imagine if Lyra began to drink. 76:51 Do you understand what I'm saying? Look at our legend, Brenda Farsi. She had a substance abuse problem. That's why she couldn't live past 50. 77:00 You know? 77:00 Actually, is that number 15 now? 77:03 Damn. 77:05 Where did it start? 77:06 I don't know, but it wasn't in the top 10. It was never in the top 10? No, I haven't seen it in the top 10 at all. 77:10 Do you think it'll pick up, sir? I don't know. From the last album I heard, I haven't listened to this album. The last album I heard, I feel like... 77:17 It's that curse of... 77:20 Limec has been featured on so many amazing beats. But when it's his time to do an album, I don't know whether A&R lets him down, but his beats are not as much as big as the songs that he's featured on. And those are other people's songs. So I hope on this album, which I haven't listened to, he fixed that. Where he got like insane beats that suit him. Because a lot of people, when they feature him, they know how to identify him for the perfect beats. But eventually those songs are not his. 77:48 We have a lot of artists in the country that are not built. 77:55 to start a song, to do a song on their own, to start to finish. 77:59 And they're very famous and they're big. We have a lot of artists that if you give him a song alone and say, you're not going to listen to it. I can mention a few, but I'm not going to do it anymore. 78:10 I think the artist like that, I don't think Limech is that. Limech has got songs where he's on his own. 78:15 Give me one that is a big song. That's where I'm going. That's where I want. 78:21 Is he alone on the streets? No, no, no. He's not alone. 78:22 That's that Heineken cover one. The funk 99. He's not alone. It's a big song. He's not alone. 78:28 Oh, he's on the zone. Everyone in zone features, he stands out. It's Fiso. 78:46 Please check Funk. Welanga was a brilliant song. I think his contribution made that song. She had a song contribution in that she made a great hook. Her vocals were also solid as well. So they shared the light there. And I think that he shares the light so many times that we never actually see him. Yeah, he's on his own on Funk 99. No, because he's not Kimiki as well. He made me crazy, yeah. With Scots Mapuma. That little gimmick of a verse can make a song. And it sounds so different from anything else on a song that when you listen to Biri Maroon, you're like, ah, it was between him and vocalistic on that song. 79:19 You know what I mean? And that's what makes him stand out because you're comparing him to the top Amapiano vocalist. I don't expect you to judge that because you're biased. Everybody else is a producer. You're biased. He can hold his own. He can hold his own. Don't pin me. Don't pin me. I'm sorry. 79:42 Like I'm saying, okay, so I've mentioned Jealousy. Yeah. Huge song. Fuck my night. Huge song. 79:50 Just check this alone, that song. 79:52 He was a featured artist. Look, he can hold the song on his own. He can. So I don't think that's the issue. 80:01 You were saying that to correct me. Not as a lead artist. 80:04 I know. You were also talking about him being a lead artist. You were talking about both things. Him leading the song and being the lead artist. He's never done that and made a hit. 80:13 He's never done that. You don't have a lead artist, Lee McCraezy's song, where he's the only artist on the song and it's a hit. We don't have that. No, but come on. We do. 80:21 Because the songs I just mentioned, Shakespeare and Les and them, they're producers. Yeah, but they're the lead artists. Nah. But those songs are big because of him as well. Nah, nah, nah, nah. This Abang is big because of Saul Penduka, let's not lie. Yeah, but no, but no. 80:37 Let me answer you, Sol. Let me answer you, Sol. Sol, hold on. The beats he chooses, for me, I feel like the A&R is the problem. Not him standing alone. He's a recognizable guy on his own. 80:51 All you did was A&R. 80:53 Yes, yes, yes. But what I'm saying is, you can't say Limec doesn't stand on his own. Doesn't have a big enough name. He does. 81:01 Okay. He is a lead artist, bro. He is, yes. When there's 20 producers you don't know. Hey, bro, bro, bro. Chelas. Look who's on Chelas. Khalil Harrison. Who's that? Right? Good question. 81:14 No, he's a vocalist. Khalil Harrison is a vocalist. 81:17 Oh, he's on the air. 81:18 I don't hear him. Okay, Khalil Harrison is a vocalist. Oh, is he? I don't hear him. I don't hear him. He's not alone. 81:24 No, no, but you can't say Khalil is leading. 81:27 You can't say Khalil is leading. Let's minus that one. 81:31 We are hating on DMACC, dog. We are wanting to find a solution as to why he's not at the top of the game right now. But we said management. 81:38 Then I said A&R of the beats. Lifestyle as well. 81:41 I said lifestyle as well. 81:43 Yeah, lifestyle. Not just lifestyle. Another thing that they're missing now, as I did the other time, way back when we were still piano pals and people thought I was rocking him. 81:51 This episode is going to do well. We're talking about... 81:52 There's people, there's people that like Lee Mecca because they resonate with him and the image that he portrayed from Mecca's. This thing of trying to clean him up, give him what, what, Gucci, what, what, he doesn't land. Don't rebrand him like that. Let him be a hood guy. He's a nigga from the hood. From Soweto. From Soweto. From TK. So now, fuck up my bow tie, na, na, na, na. People don't want that. 82:14 That's true. You don't even hear it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's like a relatable hood guy. But obviously, manage him properly, but don't dress him up. You're right. Don't dress him up. Don't dress him up and make him all overdoing. A fucking flower. 82:29 There's one thing that people need to understand about if you are being supported from the hood, and your mainstream support is from the hood, like T-Man Express, mainstream support is from the hood. Start from Soweto and then it goes out. 82:39 You need to be supported by Mzabi and Lingan. 82:41 Once you start acting, once you start acting like you're more successful than them, now you're all this Porsche. That's how you make a hit. You're doing what, what, what, what. You lose fans. For some reason. For some reason, you lose fans. No, let me tell you why. 82:53 It's the same thing I told Mac as well. As soon as people see that you've got things, right? As soon as people, they stop supporting your dream. They stop supporting, but now you're good. 83:07 Remember Siga. Siga, what's that guy? Siga. 83:11 Sigawama, what's his name, man? 83:14 Funny story. Okay. He's a DJ. 83:15 Oh, okay. 83:16 Sigawama Rupa. Yeah, Sigawama Rupa. He kept on texting Shimza to be on that show during lockdown. Oh, yes. Remember? The guy in the wheelchair? No, no, no. Sigawama Rupa. So he's a promoter, event organizer, DJ. I don't know where he's from. But But he wanted... But yeah, he kept on spamming Shimza to put him on that show where they were mixing live during lockdown. And then Shimza just dismissed him. Yeah, Shimza dismissed him. Like, yo, bro, you've been annoying me. You've been telling people to hit me up because I've got quite a following. 83:48 And people then ganged up on Shimza, the public, saying, nah, you fucked up, you got the support. Till they realized the guy's got V-classes, Benzes. They're like... And then people are like, nah, fuck you. You're successful. You know, we want those guys and we're out here supporting you because of, you know, your plea and your... Yeah, so you're right. So once people see that, sometimes, which is weird, they do tend to fall back, especially when they supported you on the premise of you, you, you're that relatable guy. And also, you painted a nice picture, so shout out, shout out. 84:22 And also, it stands from Saban Basenokshi and Samonela, that picture. 84:28 Yeah, that's 100%. 100%. He knows. But you understand what I'm saying? 84:31 It's personal, this one. I don't have this kind of neighbors, but I'm trying to say, like, the... You understand? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We still wonder, I don't need to joke with the sugar, like, and whatever, so... 84:52 Why that doesn't happen in any money like Kyla? So it's something we have as black people and I don't think we'll ever get over it. 84:59 Yeah, I've got to fix that. 84:59 Shut up, man. I have this thing from Radio Monitor South Africa, right? They have a list of top 10 record labels in the country, right? So number one. 85:08 I'm on a wrong pulse. 85:09 Yeah, yeah. Number one. I want us to guess. Damn, you're still on your pulse. I'm not going to sit the whole show. I wanted this episode to be about music. That was the whole point. We don't do a show about music, yeah? No, no, no. But do you remember you... 85:21 Let's carry on. I'm asking. No, we do. I told Nota and I told Nota that we always do music at the end of the show. And normally we're out of time and we rush through. And there's a lot of music that dropped. We didn't speak about music in the previous episode because of what happened with Liso and stuff like that. Do you understand? So I was like, let's start with music. We're holding L's. Yeah, but that was a musical conversation. That isn't why it used to happen. 85:41 That was like, I'm up here and the music which is part of the industry. We didn't do album It used to happen like that because we built it like that because we're giving you space to bring the gossip that you used to bring. Now you don't bring any more shalaza. It looks like we're not doing anything. I don't bring shalaza. 85:56 You've got a reputation to uphold now. 85:58 Now he's lying. Let's not bring shalaza. I'll tell you all the shalaza. 86:01 He wants people to buy t-shirts. 86:03 I'll tell you shalaza on the couch, man. Do you want to guess who's number one sold record labels in the country in South Africa? Independent or major? It doesn't matter both. No, let's separate them. Let's not separate them. Let's do them all at once. Record labels and record labels. I don't know. 86:15 I don't know a lot of labels. Who do you think is number one? 86:19 Right now, I'm probably looking at in South Africa, maybe Sony. 86:23 Universal. 86:24 Universal is number one. Universal is number one? With 26.25%. 86:29 The second one? Of what? 86:32 Percent of what? 86:33 Oh, I don't know. 86:34 Market share. Radio A-play share. 86:36 Oh, A-play share. At this company, it's on stock market. 86:40 Yes, all of them. Universal is in Amsterdam. Sony is in Japan. Because it's a Japanese company. And then Warner is in the United States. Number two, you said it's what? 86:52 Sony. No, I said Sony first because I was going to put Universal second. But now I'll say Sony second. 86:57 Sony's number two, 15.52%. And then number three is Warner Music with 15.08%. The fourth one is Empire with 5.20%. 87:06 That's an independent distributor. 87:08 And then the fifth one is Gamma with 3.28%. 87:12 Is it an American company? 87:13 That's an American company, bro. 87:15 Gamma, yeah. No, no, Mini Empire. Yes, but it's partly owned by Universal. They own a stake in it as well. 87:20 And the sixth one, this one really stood out for me, man. It is Ingabi Ricketts. Who is 2.0. 87:27 No, no, but the music is good as well. The music is dope. Shut up, Leroy, bro. The music is good, bro. Look, man. 87:36 Leroy's music is good, though. Guys, forget. Wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Leroy's making sure his label is performing well. 87:45 Anyone that should be able to back him up in that is someone who's worked with him before. Now, all I'm saying is that, Mina, I don't engage in payola. There's no one who can say I ever done payola. I said I cannot speak on his behalf. But I know that morally, he doesn't mind it. 87:59 Have you ever been in a camp where payola was paid? It may have not been by you. 88:04 Maybe that was somebody's duties within your camp. 88:07 I wasn't in rap life, so I guess, no. 88:10 You weren't part of rap life. 88:16 He'll never incriminate himself. 88:18 He'll never incriminate himself. He's too smart for that. Why do you say Biola when we get to Ngkabi? All those other labels don't partake in Biola. Okay, we can go down the list. No, no, but it's unfair for you to say only Ngkabi. No, we can still go down the list. Let's go up the list again and go. Let's go down. Why do you highlight Biola for them? What about the other guys? The majors. The majors. No, relax. If he's willing to do that, right? 88:38 Just the same way as he was willing to ensure that we spend the company's money on buying awards. 88:44 It's not a personal vendettist. 88:56 I don't know. I don't know either. 89:18 But you know, we were speaking to earlier Lindsay. Oh, he's a legend. He said, no, I'm not a legend. No, Lindsay. We're speaking to Lindsay. So we're speaking to Lindsay. There's certain things that are part of contracts that are confidential. Oh, you know that. So if you're texting with head of legal at Sony like Katleko Malachi, And he's busy telling you, oh, this is the information that you should use or this is the whatever, you know, he's breaking the rules. He can get fired. But in terms of me trying to get him fired at Sony, I would not do that because he must give them the market share that he's able to give them while he still can. 89:50 Him being fired is going to come as a natural process of him being out of popularity or the artists he's representing being out of popularity. So as I was saying, with Ngabi Records, the music is not that amazing, dog. There's a lot of terrible songs. 90:02 The Big Zulu album that he did with Sjava, because of Sjava's amazing music-making ability, it lifted the quality of the music. But when Big Zulu's on his own, dog, I've said this forever. I've said this since the beginning, right? If it wasn't for Tutuzane Zuma, we wouldn't have Imale Nini charting the way it did. It was that viral challenge that Tutuzane Zuma did. And then, you know? Nah, it was a nice song. Okay, let's put it. Yes, it was. Maloney was a beautiful song. Ricky Rick on it as well. 90:27 I almost agree with you when you say Big Zulu as a lone artist, but Maloney was a beautiful song. 90:31 He read Ricky Rick. Apart from the viral moment. But when he does songs on his own, it's not really connecting that much. Ama Milione had every single rapper, Tom, Dick and Harry, Casper Niovese, Cuesta, Youngster CPT. They even got shot up at the music video shoot and all that stuff. It wasn't the same level as Ima Lening. They got shut up? You don't know that. No, no. They had to drive off. Why? Because Nkabi's came, dog. They were in a colored neighborhood. What were they doing? 90:53 Oh. 90:54 Exactly. 90:54 They didn't check in first. At number seven, we have Stay Low with 2.09%. 90:57 Stay Low is owned by Stain Entertainment, right? Stain Entertainment. Yeah, the Stains. 91:02 Stain 30. Yes. Oh, shout out. 91:03 The boys have a label there. The Zuchi Cook Dope. 91:06 Yeah, Zuchi Cook Dope. 91:07 Okay, okay. 91:09 And then number eight is Zuchi Cook Dope. 91:12 Zuchi Cook Dope. Do your arms ever reach up to billionaires? Imagine boxing with God, dog, and your Zuchi Cook Dope. He was trying to box with Stay Low, dog. Like, honestly, dog. Like, I know not to box with Stay in City money, dog. 91:27 You know? Ah, but you box with... What? Grudman and he's like... He's not white. He's not white. He's not white. He's not black violence. But he's got money. 91:38 He's got money. You know what? He's got that kind of power. He's got that kind of power. Can you box with him? I voted, neh? And before I voted, unlike Aboyanda Woods who make excuses that they lost their IDs, I went and got a temporary ID at Home Affairs. Yeah, you can hold a temp. Took me like two hours. I applied for a temp and I also applied for a new ID at the same time. Took me two hours. Guess who I bumped into? 92:01 Who? 92:02 Bali. Bali. Yes. Oh, yeah. With a son. Yes. Okay. With a son. Okay. With a son. 92:08 Dude. 92:10 Her firstborn son is a giant. He's taller than his dad. Yeah, that boy, he's a driver. I wanted to say, you're taller than me because your dad is richer than mine, but I didn't want to say that. 92:18 He's a driver's goal for Formula One? No, no, I think he's aspiring to be a Formula One driver. He can't. He's too tall. He drives those motorsports cars. 92:26 Yeah, no, he's too tall. He's too tall. He's too tall, that boy. Can we all talk about kids, bro? 92:31 Yeah, also, yeah, also. 92:33 Yeah, also, let's not talk about people's kids also. 92:35 You've been dealing with COVID. Leave COVID. 92:36 Yeah, let's not talk about it. You're right. 92:38 I'm saying I bumped into Mbali and she was working with the kids to get her ID so she could vote. She could be a responsible system. Yeah, let's leave the kids. Be a responsible mom. Leading by example. It's fine. Let's leave the kids. 92:49 I won't. I won't. I won't. I won't. Trying to be something else that doesn't have I'm an adult. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we didn't say anything bad, but let's not talk about kids. You're right. The kids. 93:00 I'll add kids. And number eight is Mahou Entertainment with 2.02%. Mahou Entertainment. 93:04 Okay. 93:05 Okay. Okay, if we say... Okay, no, wait. Let's face it. Bro, who made this list? Radio Monitor. Radio Monitor. I saw it on Instagram. They posted a list. The same people that decide how much you get paid at Samro. And I saw Leroy also posted on his WhatsApp and he's like, he wants to go higher up in the list. Oh, okay. He's going to spend more money. I have no WhatsApp, but I say statuses. 93:25 Either that or make better music. 93:26 Isn't there any relationship with the conversation we had last week about radio and all those things? Can't you see a list of gatekeepers there? 93:36 How is Leroy a gatekeeper? 93:37 And then number nine is Kwanngumalo with 1.93%. Kwanngumalo has to be Leroy. And then number 10 is Top Floor Entertainment. Top Floor Records rather. Who is Top Floor Records? I have no idea. 93:50 So now, where is the gatekeepers here? 93:53 The majors, the guys at the top. I wanted to finish it so that you can start thinking about it. Bro, look at this list, man. But look at the percentages. 93:59 I don't see the pattern. You know numbers. You like to add money. What is the difference in percentages between the majors and the... What are they? The minnows. 94:10 Bro, let me remind you of something, Norton. I'm sure you remember this. There was time that your song would never play on radio if you were not at Universal. Sony. 94:20 And at a time... 94:23 At the time. 94:24 Warner. 94:25 Warner. I'm scared to mention another. But there was another black company. Which one? Ambitious. You see… Which one? Ambitious. 94:32 If it didn't belong there at the time… Ambitious spent a lot of money promoting their music. Yeah. 94:37 If it didn't belong in one of those labels, your song was not on radio. But now… This is… It's a reminder of something, dog. 94:44 So the new people that are on here, you're saying they are now the new gatekeepers. Hold on. I'm not saying that you have a Bible. 94:51 2.5% versus 15% of Warner. 94:57 Do you understand what I'm saying? But also, look at the rest of artists. They don't have as many artists as a Warner or a Sony. They don't have the international artists as well. 95:04 Sony's Gab Zaporri, they've got their own artists. But also international Beyonce. 95:09 That counts as well. Then there's the international artists as well. Morning Donk. What is it? 95:13 Morning Donk. 95:14 Shut up. 95:15 That Beyonce is playing on radio that no one likes. I like it. Jay-Z. Morning Donk. 95:19 I don't know that one, man. 95:23 You're not longer there. I just wanted an entire saying. You would have heard it on Kaya. I heard that. Are you leaving now? 95:30 I wake up at 12 now. 95:31 See, sir? Your girl, Makazi, what's happening with her in Botswana? I saw she was in court. I was going to go prepare and they were shooting. 95:39 They took her passport away. 95:41 Some promoter, some business, blah, blah, blah. I still didn't get a full-on story because I tried calling her and she didn't respond. I wanted a full-on story. Should we try? 95:50 Nah, you want to call her? I want to talk. Because we don't have full-on story, bro. We just know that she won the case. They took her passport or whatever. But she won the case. She got everything back. She's back in the country. She's back in the country now. Okay. She's back in the country. So, we don't... I don't know what was the real issue there. And it didn't look like there was any. It was just sub-touch. You understand? So, for me, bro, we have... Bro, there's a time, bro. 96:11 There's a lot of artists that got arrested in Botswana, bro. Shamiso and Spisa have protection orders against him in Botswana. Not protection orders. Warrants of arrests and stuff. That's it. Yeah. Our very own... Yeah, I've seen the papers. You sound excited. Oh, I sound excited? 96:26 Oh, wow. 96:27 Shout out. 96:28 He sounds excited that Chamiso and our boyfriend have won the race in Botswana. 96:33 So, but now my question is... 96:37 Do we still keep sending artists to Botswana when most of them get arrested? 96:41 Out of 10 artists that went to Botswana, out of 10 artists that went to Botswana, 6 have been in trouble with Botswana. In Botswana. With the law. And it's not necessarily with the law. It's because like a promoter, let me tell you something. A promoter will say, okay, I'm booking Sol Penduka. And then I give him a fee. 97:00 I mean a rate. And then he pays half. 97:03 Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then release the poster, everything is out. And then as a manager, me, I'm like, hey, my nigga, you only have 24 hours left to pay the balance or else my artist is not getting another play. 97:15 Mm-hmm. 97:16 Because it's in a contract. Of course. 97:18 I hear you. 97:19 But also, that's a contract that is powerful in South Africa. 97:22 Yeah, so something similar happened with Speedster. Okay. Because I forgot the details. I saw the court papers. Nah. So, according to... I saw the court papers. Here they are. Who showed you the court papers? One of the guys. The court papers in the public. He was from Botswana. Summarize it quickly. No, no, but... So they... 97:44 The requirements that Spisa had given them to book a hotel weren't done at the time frame that they needed to be done. And I think it was Friday or two days before the event. And Spisa was like, yo, guys, no, no, no. By 4 p.m., if you guys don't send me the hotel, if you don't send me the flights, I'm not coming. And I think they had done the hotel, but they missed the deadline for the flights. You see? 98:14 Which is a return flight. 98:16 Yes. And then they booked them and it was meant to return on Sunday. See, I would have prepared if I knew we were going to talk about this. And... 98:24 The flight, I think Clash, because he's got a radio show as well. So he's got to be back at 5. You know? And the flight was booked. At 5 p.m. or at 5 p.m. Obviously, the program was like, ah, you didn't say, etc. But these things could have been sorted out had the things been done according to the contract, which normally would say, depending... So it was a breach on the promoters' part. Eh? It was a breach of contract on the promoters' part. Technically… Most of the time… So sometimes that does happen also. It's not always artists. But I'm not speaking for everyone who's been in trouble in Butuana. 98:57 Right? I've been booked in Butuana. So I'm going now on the 28th of November in Butuana. I've never had issues. Right? But sometimes… Guys don't just pitch up. Sometimes guys, they're like, do their own pitch up for gigs. But sometimes, Oaks, also the promoters, even locally it happens, don't meet all the contractual requirements. So it's tricky. 99:20 It's a case-by-case thing. In the Makazi instance, it's not about a material breach in terms of a written contract. It was a breach of a verbal contract. Verbal agreement is an agreement, dog. A verbal agreement is an agreement. It stands in court. Unfortunately, us niggas who've been divorced, us niggas who've paid Lobola. Lobola is a verbal agreement. You know what I mean? So you can take your seat. Don't worry. A verbal agreement is what people... 99:48 You know, stake their whole entire... No, no, no, it's fine. We're carrying on, we're good. A verbal agreement is what people stake their whole entire marriage on. Their family lineage and everything else, you know. So, I think that her breaching that verbal agreement was one thing because she thought she was famous enough to get away with it. Because she performs for the ANC in South Africa. You know, she feels like she can get away with such things. Another thing about the Makazi situation is that why do you want sympathy from South Africans? 100:15 Talk to the embassy. Talk to the consulate. Talk to the people that are in charge of such things. Don't come out here on social media and talk to the same people you told, fuck you, when we said, yo, stop supporting these illegal immigrants. 100:30 You know what I mean? And if you don't support South African causes, you will lose support from South Africans. 100:37 And South Africans should not be supporting nonsense. She breached her verbal agreement. They made a verbal agreement, a pact with that promoter that when you come and do a one-man show in Botswana, you will do it with me. They set it up. They did the proposal. They did everything, right? And then because she wanted to... circumvent that, right? She ended up breaching that contract and that's why the court said, yo, you owe this promoter this much. How much? 1.2 million rand or something like that. That's a lot of money. 101:05 But okay, the reason why she was trying to dish, not to work with him again, isn't it? Because she says... 101:10 That guy robbed her before. Okay. When they worked before. Okay. He robbed her. Right? 101:16 Did she prove it? Did she take it to court? Probably. It was an allegation. That's probably how she won the case. No, she didn't. She didn't win the case. She did? No, she didn't win the case, dog. She was allowed to go. She was given back her passport. But she owes that guy. She has to pay that guy that 1.2 million rand. 101:30 Okay. So now you're an artist. I mean, you're an artist manager. Do you still allow an artist to fly to Botswana? 101:41 Well, if they've got a 1.2 million rent debt to pay there, I wouldn't. 101:45 Man, did you see what happened to Madlera and the girl that interviewed Madlera? Dog, why do we talk about Madlera? 101:52 I want to ask a question. 101:53 He's an artist. It's a music show. Does he make good music? It's a music show. 101:57 Is there any song of Madlera's that has been worthy of us talking about on the biggest music show in the world? Is that one of the best features ever in the country? Which one? 102:05 The KO one? 102:06 Which one is that? The Mashed Beats one? No, which one is that? Which one is that? 102:09 What's that song he did with KO? Even the one with Cas? Which one is the one with this? In KO's top 20. In these 20 summers that he's been acting. Which one he did with Cas? The one with Cas it is in the top 10. Which one? No, which one? What's that Casper song, man? What's that Casper song? I don't know. It's got a hit with Casper. 018. That song was made by Casper and the fact that it was drill. 102:34 Maglera got waxed by Kulichana. 102:38 on the song that he featured Kuli Chana on. And I said, any up-and-coming rapper that gets waxed by an OG on a track is not worthy of being listened to. Because you're not carrying the torch. You're not showing a level of excellence that can make us invest our emotions in. How's your relationship with Matlera Doughboy? What do you mean? Have you ever met him? I've met him many times. 102:58 How was the interaction? It was good. Oh, yeah? Well, you guys are good? What do you mean? Because I don't want you to speak ill of him because you guys have beef. I don't have beef with him. Are you sure? No, I don't. 103:06 Okay. I'm just not a fan. You've never been a fan? No, never. 103:09 Maybe he wanted to work with him and he said no or something happened. Why would I want to work with him? I don't know. 103:15 Okay, I don't. I don't. I don't rate him as an artist. Then say your truth. Yeah, I'm saying my truth. I don't rate him as an artist. Do you understand? So when he does these antics of having an ego, ask me something real. Dog, make real music. Make a real hit. You understand? Be the type of artist where they can ask you about your songs. You understand? Be an example for black people, dog. You haven't done anything for black people, dog. You haven't. You haven't. You're not a bico, dog. Come on, relax yourself. You're making a film because an international label, right, gave you an advance so you can make little short films. 103:46 It's actually very dope. I saw it. I saw it. It's dope. It can be dope, but it's the music dope. But it's dope. But it's the music dope. But the film is dope. But the film is dope. But the film is dope. So it's all the antics. But the film is dope. But the film is dope. I haven't watched it. Say it. No, I haven't watched it. I haven't watched it. 104:00 No, I'm not going to judge it. And I have no doubt that it's probably a high budget film, right? What I'm trying to say is that your excellence is in the intangibles. The things that have got nothing to do with your music. Honestly, let's be honest about Nigeria, right? 104:14 Everything he does is about intangibles. When he went on to… What's this stage? Back to the city. With like 30 people on stage. People doing like… I don't know… Performance art and everything else. Back to the city is not a stage where you do that shit. So you perform your hits and you fuck off, dog. 104:28 That's why Casper's new vest… I mean… Caspar's in your vest. 104:31 Caspar's in your vest. Yeah, well, I guess he owns it. 104:34 Caspar had a dope performance that year. Because he performed these hits, fucked off stage. MT, dope performance that year. Performed these hits, fucked off stage. 104:44 Hey, Reese, performed these big songs, fucked off stage. Performed these hits as well. The two that he has. You know? You know? So, that's... Does he have it? Well, it's got paradise, man. You heard it at F&B. You heard it at F&B. 105:02 You were inside the tent. You were inside the tent when he was performing and you could hear the crowd. Right. Does he have a hit outside Ambitious? 105:09 He wasn't there. 105:10 No, he was. 105:10 He wasn't there yet. I saw his performance. Wait. Doug, you said he saw it. I saw it. I saw it. Elis performed Daylight. We got there way after Elis performed. Oh, okay. It's fine. My question is, give me a hit. Give me a hit that he has. Outside of ambitious. 105:26 Meanwhile in Hanegu. No, it's not a hit. Okay. Let's not go there. It's not a hit. All right. And then moving on. Mantleira. We don't know Mantleira, right? MT's protection order with the ex-wife. Is it still a wife? No. She is now a recipient. 105:42 She was served by him. 105:44 So MT got a protection order against Bianca. Yeah, not Bianca. Bianca is Ricky's wife. 105:48 Who's, who's, who's? 105:50 Nicole. Nicole, the Indian lady. 105:52 What's the reason that you know? She's colored in Indian. 105:54 You've heard it. Yeah, so what's the reason now? The reason is that he alleges that she's been abusive to him. She's been calling him, harassing him. The same one who dropped the protection order against you so you could get out of prison. When you get out of prison, the first thing you do is try and put her in prison. 106:11 No, no, no. Hold on. That's the truth. No, no, no. Hold on. Let's not look at one side. There's always two sides of the story. Right? What if now because I feel like because I took you out of prison, now you should be at my mercy. And then now I'm bullying you now. I'm like, because you know what I can do. 106:32 You understand what I'm saying? Because as much as these people are public figures, right? There's still two people in a relationship or in an ex-relationship. This is a public figure. Yeah, yeah. Nicole is not. Yeah, that's cool. She is now. Well, she wanted to be one. No, she didn't. We're talking about her now. Because M.E.'s. No, no, no. 106:49 Out of respect. 106:50 So because we're calling her by name, she's a public figure. 106:55 Okay, I guess you could say that. 106:56 I don't know. Maybe my English. No, it's perfect. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is that these are public figures. So this relationship became public. Right? In a bad way. And it has always been looked at. It's MT's fault. It's MT's fault. Maybe it is. Hold on. Maybe it is. I'm listening. I'm not going to interrupt. Let's not judge them because they're musicians or public figures. Let's now look at them both as normal human beings. 107:19 Yeah. 107:20 Both of them have a 100% chance each to fuck up each other's life. 107:24 Uh-huh. 107:25 They do. Like any relationship. I've been in a relationship as well where we both have the chance to fuck up each other's life. Every relationship you go into when you're a public figure, you guys can both fuck up each other's life because you're dependent on the public liking you and appreciating your work as well as seeing that your lifestyle is consistent with the fandom that you generate. Do you know what I mean? So MT himself, his behavior is unbecoming of a husband, dog. Let's be honest, dog. Let's be honest, dog. 107:53 He's taking Xanax tablets, drinking lean in front of his kids, passing out. He has to be woken up. He does that on stage as well where the public can see. So we can only assume that the same thing happens at home, even worse. 108:08 We can only assume that if you are able to get drunk, get inebriated, whatever, in a public space, you can be worse at home, right? 108:17 It's fair. It's fair. When you're comfortable in front of your wife. 108:23 Look at McG. It's debatable, bro. Look at McG. 108:26 Yeah. 108:27 Motherless at Fond City. Motherless. At where? At Fond City. McG's at Fond City? Motherless. McG's at Fond City? Motherless. 108:34 Right now. 108:35 He was at Fond City. He's on his way back. With his wife. With my lady. 108:41 You understand what I'm saying? That's why he got so drunk. 108:44 I didn't see that. 108:45 You won't. What do you mean I won't? He's asking everyone to delete those videos. 108:49 Yeah, yeah. Because he was in his private space. He was in his private space. Even mine, I saw them from Kat. Kat who? 108:55 Kat, his best friend. 108:57 Kat, Kat, Kat, his best friend. Yeah. And then now they're going viral. 109:03 No, they deleted it. They've been deleted. They've been taken down. 109:05 How drunk was he? 109:07 I don't know. I don't drink. But that's the thing. You see, the reason why I didn't want to go to Fon City is that I don't want people to feel uncomfortable around me. You know what I'm saying? I'm a podcaster. I wasn't there to collect chashalazza, blah, blah, blah. I'm there to have fun as much as they're there to have fun. Okay. But they'll think that I'm just there to collect gossip and go talk about it on the fucking podcast. But if we don't talk about fun seats, then what did it even happen? Listen, listen. They don't need promotion. No, it's not about promotion. Listen, listen to what I'm saying, bro. 109:36 I chose not to go for that reason. 109:39 People in bikinis. 109:40 People are in shorts. People are topless. And they're fat. They're out of shape. It doesn't matter. Imagine. People having breakfast with beer at Fawn City. Money is disgusting. That is the best, one of the best events we have in the country. I want to go experience that. But with my image right now, I don't think people would be free. So I chose not to go. 110:00 With your image right now, would you run around topless anyway? My friends, I would. Why? Bro, why not? Because women... have got low expectations of men. Because I'm big. Women have to have their shape in Czech for them to be topless and in bikinis. Okay. A guy with a cover should not be shown 110:19 I saw Malachi. I didn't even know Malachi. I didn't know Malachi had Mkaba. I saw a video of him at Phone City with the short and Mkaba. That's dope. 110:27 I don't think there should be cameras allowed at Phone City. That's why there's no media. Mkaba is caused by either too much beer or too much cocaine. That's why there's no, yeah, no lyrics. That's where artists get drunk and don't want to leave there. Cocaine is high in calories. I've got to stay for days and days at phone because it is that dope. 110:41 You understand what I'm saying? That's why I don't want to bother Malachi and be like, yo, I want to come to FonCity, blah, blah. I was like, nah, let me stay away from this. I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable. 110:49 You know, the last time I saw Malachi, he walked out of Vogue. Is it Virgo? No, Virgo in New York. 110:57 Okay. 110:58 Yeah. And then he was speaking to this other guy. What's that guy's name again? Got his name, but he used to work at Universal and then he moved to Sony Publishing. I don't know where he's working now, but his wife writes on Netflix and Malachi came out there and said, yo, anybody got any sugar? And I didn't know what sugar was. 111:15 I'm still trying to figure out what sugar is. 111:16 No, man. No, come on. 111:18 What? 111:18 Shout out to FunCenter, man. 111:19 I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope people have, I hope people have, I'm reminding them of the reality. 111:25 And I hope Mack G had as much fun. That's the reality. I hope Mack G had as much fun. 111:29 You know that niggas are loyal, eh? 111:30 And so, what's sugar? Is it illegal? 111:35 Sugar is salati. 111:36 It's not salati. I know brown and white sugar. That's sugar. I know. So why would I get to grill and sell one sugar? Maybe he had coffee and he didn't have sugar. 111:46 You understand? I have my... It's probably that. It's probably that. That's how I... Honey is also brown. 111:51 And then... Oh man, I saw... 111:55 Focalistic was, I don't know, for me, that was a bit out of character for me. I never expected that from him. I don't think I would have ever seen it. Why is he talking about my business, dog? 112:06 When I come to your house and I don't talk about it, I don't want you to talk about it on your TikTok, dog. 112:11 Don't tell people I visited you, dog. Don't create enemies for yourself. 112:16 Don't tell them I gave you the codes. Don't do that. That's privileged information. I bring it to you so you can win and beat everybody else and they can wonder how you do it. So you had a visit. You visited him. I did not. I don't know what he's talking about. So what are you talking about? I don't know what he's talking about. And what did he say about you? 112:31 Whatever he said on this. I don't know anything about that. What happened? 112:34 He even asked Charo. And he said, Charo, do you remember when Nocha was here? Charo was like, no, I don't remember. Then I thought he was going to agree like, oh, actually, I don't remember myself. I probably dreamt about that. 112:44 You know Charo Superstar? Yeah, I know. He's DJ. He's former DJ. 112:47 Yeah, well, he was there on the live, Akir. Yeah. Yeah. I love you. Dog, he was dreaming that I was visiting him. I don't know anything about that dog. Shut up, shut up. I don't… No, I don't know anything about that dog. 112:57 That was a good spin, man. I don't know anything about that. Bobby Cooper was in the live as well. She was like right there at the back. He looked lit. 113:04 He looked drunk. It looked like he was drinking. He said some regrettable things while he was drunk. He dated Darren Gogo and then him and Bobby Cooper as the public inter-president. He's saying that they're just snacking. 113:17 Who? Him and Cooper. 113:19 No, dog. 113:21 But you see now, dog, I love Bobby Cooper. 113:24 I respect the way she's carried herself. That we're out. Respect the talent as well. Yes, I do. I respect the talent. She's got talent. She's got some talent. You know what I mean? You see how choosy you are? I'm choosing, yes. This is how you have your people. Yes. 113:39 Do you just wake up in the morning and choose to, whether they're talented or not, you're protected? I'm just saying, no. 113:45 Ah, my man. If you're sitting right there, if you're sitting right there, and you look at me and tell me Bobby Cooper is talented, is a talented musician. 113:55 No, I never said she's a talented musician. I said she's talented. Okay. I was talking about talent. She's a hard-working musician. She worked hard. Is she a talented musician? She got lucky as a dancer. Right? She got lucky as a dancer and was featured on a song with Amaroto. Right? It's Pity Pity. And that went viral. And then she had to build a career out of that. She did it. 114:12 That's not the song of Amaroto. 114:14 Pity Pity she was alone. 114:17 Ah. I think she was alone. I think she was alone. Eh? I think it's Basta. 114:23 Yeah, but carry on. 114:24 It was Riz Magista. But they were Amaroto at that point in time. 114:34 They were Amarote at the time. They hadn't split up. So as I'm saying is that that song went viral. It went everywhere, dog. You know, and she followed it up, made some hot songs, did some nice campaigns for me, right? For you as a father of a girl child, Bobby Cooper is a good role model for your daughter. She's well behaved. She doesn't have scandals. I'm just saying a good role model. Out of all the people you could pick as role models, Bobby is not at the bottom of the list. Dope. Right? I don't have a problem with that one. Yeah. 115:02 I love Poppy Cooper as a woman, as a lady. She carries herself very well. You understand? Good persona, even in public. You don't see a lot of shit. I can't find out with boys in that groove. She carries herself very well. And the reason why probably the team think I hate her or we should have a beef is because you can't force me to be a fan of somebody. You don't believe in her talent as a musician. I don't believe in it. I believe in her talent as a dancer. She can dance. She can dance? She can dance. She shouts back hard, you know? Okay. Right? I think she can dance. 115:33 She's a competent dancer. Yeah, she can dance. But I don't think… But BFF Mutli was a better dancer. I don't think… Now she's a DJ. I don't think she wouldn't have made it if it wasn't for her surroundings. If the talent was the only thing that she would like. Hard work as well. Positioning. Positioning. But hard work as well. 115:49 Best part of the game though. 115:50 Yeah, but… I'm talking talent though. 115:53 Okay. Dog, that's why Lima Praze is not the top artist. Talent-wise, dog, he's nowhere in the same region to be spoken about with both Scots, Mapuma, and everybody else at Keeper, right? As vocalists. But in terms of everything else he does, right, it takes... 116:10 away the superstardom that he should have because he's not as disciplined as he needs to be to support the talent and make sure that it's got longevity like Donald is. Donald is disciplined. 116:19 In summary, talent is not enough. Talent alone is not enough. So, but now… 116:27 I watched that live. I saw the clips, you know, because I'm… So I watched the clips and I'm looking at him and my boy is lit, dog. He's lit. But for me, I don't want to ignore what he said. 116:39 Okay, go there. I don't want to ignore what he said. 116:42 About what? 116:42 About what? Why don't you want to talk about this? About what? Why don't you want to talk about… Because then I feel like he did something that he regrets. Disrespecting Bobby like that. You understand what I'm saying? The way in which he spoke was too rough. Is that where you were going? You understand? And she doesn't deserve that. Now that we're talking about it, we're putting her on the biggest music show in the world. You know, now it's like we're adding to the disrespect she's getting. She's getting secondhand disrespect from us. Where were you going? I don't think she deserves that. 117:11 No, Spiso, where were you going with that? 117:14 No, I want you to land. I want you to land. 117:16 There's two ladies involved here. Yes. There's two ladies involved. So I don't understand why are we only worried by one that is the one we picked that is the one that's being disrespected because the other one also is being disrespected. Oh, she tweeted. She tweeted that. 117:34 She tweeted that after the live. Yeah. No, she tweeted that long time ago. After the breakup. Although we broke up, I'm not disagreeing with that. 117:47 Oh, that's what she said. No, no, no. But we're not going back to archives. Because if you want to go back to archives, don't forget, it's alleged that Deben Gogo, when Deben Gogo was dating Foka, she shared him with Stina. So how much respect are you looking for there? 118:02 So, Akira, you want to take it back? You've been very biased on the situation. 118:06 Yeah, like, that's what I say. I've known Mandisa for longer than I've known. That's what I say. And I'm just saying that Mandisa herself, she said those things. 118:15 If she is able to tweet things that allege that she had slept or had sexual relations with some guy, she's the one that's... Putting that information into the public, right? As far as we know, Bobby Cooper could be a virgin. Until she falls pregnant, you know, we can't confirm that, right? 118:31 She has never said anything to confirm it. She's been playing household football, let's say, for a very long time, though. I just want to say that. Kids play house too. They've been playing house for a long time. It's fiso. 118:41 But I want you to land. I can't land when you, when you, when you, because when I say something, I already have a picture of where I'm heading. Yeah. So once you, once you, you cut, now it's like, now I must listen to what you have to say and then I let go of mine because clearly you can finish my sentences. 118:58 But, but, but I want it from your perspective. The Foka, Devon Go, Bobby Cooper thing. What is your perspective? 119:03 So when I was going with him defending Parby, so now if we're talking about it, we're disrespecting Parby. 119:09 She doesn't deserve that. And that's why I was taking him back on some… Don't forget that it's alleged that law share long esteem. So… We know that. The country knows that. Who deserves respect? Do you get what I'm saying? And there's still a lot of speaking terms. So I don't want us to be biased when it comes to this. Right? But looking at the life, yes, my boy was lit. But it's… But I'm out of here. That's when you tell the truth. Ha! 119:33 Right? For your truth. No, no, no. I say bad. I'm not, no, no. Yeah, I'm adding. Sorry, my bad. No, no, no. 119:39 I'll answer why. It's because you think I was here. Everything I said is because I was drunk or whatever. And then, but now you are saying, fuck, I was drunk. So what I said is not supposed to be taken seriously. But when it's me, when I say I'm drunk, it must be taken seriously. Right. 119:54 No, I'm saying you should take him seriously even when he's drunk. But what I'm saying is that he was drunk. And the things he was saying, because he was drunk, they throw disrespect on everyone he spoke about. You understand what I'm saying? Even when he spoke about me, it's like, now me and folk are having secret meetings to take down the game in back doors. You understand what I'm saying? I don't know anything about that. Shut up. Is she still finished? So… 120:22 How I saw the entire life, looking at him speaking, I saw someone who's… Who's getting a lot of regret in his heart. I feel like he still wants Deben Gogo back. 120:34 He's in a relationship. 120:35 Let's see his… Can we hear from him, bro? 120:39 We don't want this nigga to walk out again. It's my analysis, dog. It's my analysis. It's a public knowledge. It's out there in the internet. You understand? It's out there in the internet. And I can't rock Foka. He's my boy. Of course. I know it. Everybody knows it. I can't rock him, but I'm saying that for me, if I were to see him again, I'd be asking my nigga, do you want Deben Gogo back or what? 121:01 You understand what I'm saying? Do you want that? That's what I saw, bro. 121:05 He wants to be Jeff Hattab. 121:06 That's what I saw. But whatever happened, happened, bro. That must not define vocalistic. He's still a very talented artist. Big. One of the biggest we have in the country. So that can't define his career. And this is a mistake. And I hope brands don't look at it and be like, you know how these brands are sensitive. 121:27 Oh, yeah. If you want to get the phone back, we finally privatized ISCOM. Because Jeff Khatebe is the one who signed off on that when he was energy minister. 121:34 Oh, yeah. What are you beat breaking this week, Matam? Not just chose the beat break. Beat breaking Caesar, man. Caesar with... Caesar with... Tattoo Hats on the song. Oh, yeah. Three-step song. Beautiful song. 121:49 What a change. 121:52 What? It's Saga. 121:54 What? Okay. Can you please allow me to speak about the boy? Because I do speak with the boy. To the boy. Right? So I don't want you to now force me to get into your pocket that you are. Can I please speak? 122:09 Right? 122:10 Yeah. 122:10 It's a beautiful song. 122:13 Everybody should listen to it. However, if it was me, let me say, next time you drop a song or you're about to drop a song, Caesar, you have my numbers. Please send it to me for quality control. Ooh. Before you drop. Okay. It would have been a lot much better. 122:26 That's not a rock. It is not a rock. It's not a rock. Come on. You deserve early warning. Of course. Hey. Hey. 122:37 But you hear what I'm saying? 122:41 It's not a rock. And I get why the first shit, this is a hit. It is a hit, right? But a little bit more or better quality control has been a lot much better. What's that? 122:53 Quality control. I think she's over. It's not the songwriting. It's the male vocal on the song. It's not clear if it was my production. Maybe that's how they wanted it. Let me put it that way. Maybe that's how they wanted it. How did his father overlook that? 123:11 His father's got bigger fish to fry. Have you seen the election results? 123:15 It's tough there. 123:16 But you get what I'm saying? See, I'm just saying the song is dope, beautiful. People go stream. It's a beautiful song and I'm proud of you. I know. 123:25 I know. I know. I know now he takes most of the decisions about his music. He showed me that. And I'm proud of him. That shows us he's a man. He can stand on his own. That's dope. I'm saying I'm opening the door for you. Quality control. When you're done doing whatever you want to do, you're done on the song. Send it to me. Let me listen to it. 123:42 I'll do quality control for him for free. That's the only thing I can say. I don't think that it's a rock. It's not a rock. It's not a rock. I'm just concerned about the quality control. The music is there. Everything is dope. The NR is done properly. He can get access to anybody once in the country. Some of us can't. But what I'm saying is that quality control. And I'm speaking as a musician. I'm not speaking on a podcast or I'm trying to rock him. No. Quality control, that's it. And if not, I heard the song properly. I did. 124:12 Yeah. You know what I would say. 124:15 I agree with everything you said. Let me just say it like that. Thank you so much. Your ears work fine. 124:19 Oh, we're good. I mean, we already spoke about music. 124:22 Ah, come on. We can't talk about the new MT and… What's that guy? Which one? Who had beef with MT after they collaborated first. 124:29 What was his name again? What? The Tossa nigga. Ayfani? No, the other Jan. 124:35 Big Kosa. No, man. He's not a jan. What's the name of that guy? Flash Ikumkan. 124:42 Flash Ikumkan. And MT dropped their track that they were hyping up after MT was released from prison since he went back to all his old homies and stuff like that. You know what I mean? He's patching things up. I think that's a fire song. 124:54 I just want to hear Tembing Kosi. Who's Tembing Kosi? The actor, man. One of the best actors we have in the country. Why are you calling him back? I want to hear what he has to say. On the show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a celebrity, is he not? 125:07 But there's a music show. Do you know him? There's a music show. 125:09 Does he make music? Yeah? Has he featured in music videos? 125:12 Yeah, yeah. 125:12 Okay, at least I know. Come on. Do you know Tempugos? Step in. 125:16 Why would you describe my friend like that, dog? Which one is he? Tempugos, the one who drafted Juweko on Netflix. On where? 125:26 On the adulting. 125:27 Yeah, I see. The one who used to sleep in the bed with his wife but they weren't smashing. 125:32 Yeah. When they were getting divorced or something and then they made up. And then they made up. When they were like, make up six. You love the make up six. I think the big debate is… We're there at the big debate now. But I think the best big debate we can have is if we just hash out our problems so that we have a peaceful episode next week. If we just say your truth, he says his truth and then we move forward. Because I don't want this thing hanging. 125:56 Okay, what happened? 125:57 And then we go apologize to each other over the phone and not on camera. What happened? Because Fiso walked out. Yeah. And he came back. He seems more calm now. Okay. So I want to understand why you walked out. And then you say why you said what you said to him. Even though you know this shit is in the NDAs. And then we wrap up the show. 126:12 Okay. I wasn't explained to what the NDAs mean or anything else. You know? I didn't know if it was a real thing. 126:18 Dope sneakers, doo-doo. Those are nice, man. We love them. Welcome. What time is it? Two hours late. Thank you. 126:26 Bala doesn't watch this show anymore. At least you go there later and look beautiful. Anyway, like I was saying, so when Spiso mentioned some NDAs or whatever, some things are protected, I don't know the context that he mentioned it under. You understand what I'm saying? I just watched his interview. 126:47 You know what I mean? So because of the comments on the interview, they said, listen, if the people who know my life story know the songs that I've written, they'll be able to figure it out. So that's why I'm asking about that song because it's one of my favorite songs ever. My ****. And I wanted to know who wrote it. I wasn't saying, Swiso, did you write this song? 127:07 See, now you're still going back. 127:09 Okay, I'm explaining, Mara. No, no, but the problem is you can't, you see. Okay, you're not allowed to talk about that. That's what I was saying. 127:15 Let me leave it there. Just give you context in the near future. Okay. And I'm still going to ask for you to cut that part. Okay. 127:22 There's people right now where you see that you're not allowed to mention their names. 127:27 I also can't say it, but I'm saying, but I'm saying, I just wanted you to have a picture. 127:31 Okay. 127:32 Do you understand? There's people we can't talk about, doc. Especially if you just… There's people whose names you can't mention? No, not me. It's fine. Never mind that. It's fine. I'm saying if there's people that we dealt with them in a personal level, like I dealt with in a personal level back in the days, and I signed some shit without knowing all I wanted was a plate of food and gave away so much. 127:53 And now you want to go back and check. It's like you can't bro. This is where you are actually. NDA is only valid. Actually, you can't. You get what I'm saying? You understand? My lawyer tried to do his own thing but it didn't work. 128:08 Do you understand what I'm saying? So I'm just asking bro. I don't earn that much money to be competing with these niggas bro in court. 128:15 Okay, I got you. 128:16 I don't. 128:17 I got you. 128:18 That's why I'm asking. 128:20 You understand? Can we sit here and talk about music and musicians? And if there's something very personal to do with me, let's leave it aside. And another thing I'm going to ask him, dog. 128:29 We've been podcasting for a year now. Almost. Almost, yeah. 128:32 Not really. Right? 128:34 It's not fair for me to still be asking to speak. Okay. 128:38 Okay. 128:40 I... 128:41 How many episodes in, bro? Beautiful episodes, bad episodes. But it's not fair for me to still ask. Because when you say to me, I'm going to speak. You give it to me. 128:53 When he's speaking, I'm putting my thoughts together. And how I'm going to deliver it. All of it. Right? So the minute he says something and cuts me off, it's just for me to look stupid. Because now I want to remember it. And to people, it's like... 129:09 Can I give you a tip though? No, no, no. You will give me. I'm just saying that allow me to finish my thoughts and then debate it and argue or whatever it is. But when I want to put my thoughts together, especially if it's my past. 129:25 Right? It's my past. You don't know about it. Like if I'm saying something that happened at a gig yesterday, you were not there. You can't have the sentence for it in full to deliver because you don't know what I was going to say to the end. 129:38 I got you. 129:39 Please. I got you. Those are the only things I'm asking, dog. Because, bro, now if I'm going to sit here and podcast, I love to work for this network, bro. I'll hate to wake up in the morning and resign. I'll hate to do that. You understand? But if now it's going to cost me more, now I must run around in court. No, I can't, dog. That's the only part I'm begging you. Stay away from it. It's not your story to tell. It's not your story to tell. 130:05 As long as we understand each other. 130:06 You can return the favor, we're good. 130:07 Okay, and then he said, you get drunk. Like you got drunk last week and you say things that you can't say when you're sober. Like calling women bitches. Hoax. 130:18 Hoax. Okay. 130:20 Can I respond? Yeah, yeah. Okay. The other episode. And I'm not trying to justify my mistakes. I'm not trying to be a coward. I just want to understand. 130:30 Okay. 130:31 You feel free to answer me. Anyone in the room, feel free to answer me. The first time that this shit was trending, I got here, I sat down and asked him, bro, this thing is public knowledge. Everybody's talking about it. Why don't I have a say? It's not as if I went and found something in your house. 130:46 Who's talking about it? 130:47 No, no, no. Everybody on the internet was talking about it. 130:49 Small-time podcasters that don't get views. But it's fine. Exactly. That's the thing, is that the damage that's done by putting it on the biggest music show in the world. Dog, Joe Biden doesn't have our numbers on YouTube weekly. Doesn't do 400k weekly. Joe Biden. You understand what I'm saying? 131:04 Once the number one music podcast on Spotify is not doing our numbers right now, there are certain things I don't want to... 131:12 Do you understand? I don't want to make them bigger by putting them on a bigger platform because that's the bait. That's exactly what they want. And they want you to do that because that's what you do. You always help yourself to try and denigrate me each and every single week. Now think about this. We're trying to build a show which is based on our credibility. Imagine if I took a knock at your credibility each and every single week. Call you a liar, call you deceitful, all of those things. I could do that, but I don't do that. Why? Because I want us to have a good reputation which we can stake the claim to having the biggest music show because we're clean. All of us. 131:42 You understand? I want to make you look good just like I want you to make me look good. You don't make me look good. Ever. Not any single opportunity. Dog, you were dancing on camera. Dog, that's demonic. That's demonic, dog. You understand what I'm saying? That's like leprechauns do. You know, like honestly, I would never do that to you. No matter what you can say, I might criticize you on. I would never do that to you. I show you support. Even when I raise those things, I want you to brag about those things because those things add credibility to your name. 132:14 There are certain things you can't talk about because you fought that fight and it's over. It's fine. But the ones that we can talk about, I want you to talk about because I want you to explain the story. When I say, yo, Sviso, talk about the fact that you grew up homeless, you grew up under the bridge. I don't do that to knock you. I don't. Because what do I gain from knocking you, doc? Because I came from a more privileged background. Not saying the most privileged background, but I don't gain anything from that. In fact, people will make me look bad. Oh, why are you always dissing Sviso? No, I'm not dissing Sviso. I want Sviso to be an example to all the people that are begging in the streets that you don't need to be begging. 132:47 You can go out there and make something for yourself like he is. 132:50 You understand? You've got no excuses, dog. If Spiso could make something of himself, if Ishmael could make something of himself, how many street kids or kids that were abandoned by their parents who could not look after them? Sometimes the situation that makes you a parent, right, is not conducive to you being the best parent, right? Unfortunately, not all of us can have great parents. But us not having the best parents doesn't mean we don't get to be the best parents one day or we don't get to be role models. You're a role model, dog. You should be proud of yourself. You understand? I want you to tell your story because I feel like other people's stories will be validated by hearing your story, dog. 133:26 Not every person can say I was once a street kid and now I drive past in a C53 or C63, whatever the thing. I don't know cars like that. You know what I mean? I'm not about that life. You know what I mean? How many people can say that? Not many, dog. 133:39 Not many people. And you don't share this story because I understand you want to sell it in a packageable way. But unfortunately, the game sometimes is to be told and not sold. 133:52 We can't capitalize on each and every single thing that happens to us. Sometimes, our duty in life is to help people get to their dreams. Whether we get to our dreams or not is irrelevant. Our job in life is to be the stepping stone, that ladder on Latinova Pounds' album cover. You understand? We're supposed to get them to those clouds. Ground to glory. There you go. G2G. You went from the ground, ground level, street level, to glory, dog. Tell them about your glory. 134:20 Make them proud of you. That's all. 134:23 Sviso? 134:25 I disagree with what you're saying, some of it. Okay. Because there's a lot of times that here on the show, I've been made a laughingstock for speaking fucked up English. 134:34 My education. He, last episode, made a fine... Was it last or last or last two episodes before this? Yeah, you used to sell your dick, nigga. Like, there's... So if you say you use my past to inspire people, then you're doing a bad job because you do that to... 134:52 To make me feel small. No. And it's not as if you woke up in the morning and found out. 134:58 I said I didn't go to school. 135:00 When I talk about my past, you always joke about it. Let him land. No, I hear that. But he must respond like in kind. What I'm saying is that I'm glorifying your story. I'm saying you diminish me each and every single week. You're not admitting to that. You're not denying it either. 135:13 You see, I gave a chance to speak. 135:14 Let him land and then we'll conclude properly. 135:16 Yeah. 135:17 Yeah, so you see now in Kategile Foot. But okay, anyway. So what I was trying to say is that I do get rocked on the show by my past. And that thing is a trigger, bro. Like, if you haven't been in my shoe, dog, trust me, dog, you don't know me, bro. 135:36 Like, for real, bro, I'm going to speak like heart to heart with you, Nota. If you did, you definitely have never been in my shoes. You don't know me and you don't know what triggers me when it comes to my past. 135:49 You understand? There's a lot of things that trigger me, bro, when it comes to my past that you do on the show. 135:55 Okay. 135:56 But you don't know of it. Okay. Because you didn't live the life I lived. 136:00 But if you say, see, that happened now that I'm able to make my own decisions, something that happened here on the show, now that I'm old, I can make my decisions, I can't be triggered by that because in Galapagos, I made a choice. You understand? So... 136:14 Last episode, dog. I apologize, dog. I had no business speaking about your woman. Especially like that. I apologize to you and to her. Together. Right? Whatever you guys have going on the internet, it's your guys' business on the internet. I shouldn't have spoken about it. I did well on the first show. I kept quiet. I didn't speak about it. And last week I spoke about it. I shouldn't have. And I didn't speak about it in the right way. So I'm going to say, fuck the internet, whatever happens there. I'm going to look at you and your woman and when I see her and you allow me, I'll ask for an apology. I'll apologize to her and I apologize to you as well. 136:46 I had nothing to do with that. It's not my business. You're like kids. You're supposed to leave. You guys want to leave. You understand? No, like serious. 136:56 I'm 36, but not a kid, yeah. 136:58 No, but there's a kid involved. 136:59 Okay, yeah. 137:00 That's why I said you're like kids. 137:01 Okay, yeah. And you're arguing with kids. That's why I put you all... No, I'm arguing with El Tito. Like I said, I've put the smoke on El Tito about that. And I understand what his mission is. Do you understand what I'm saying? His mission is to be spoken about and to have his podcasters, his understudies spoken about on the biggest music podcast in the world. I'm saying that for the fourth time today. Because it's a really big deal. 137:24 It's not something to be forsaken. 137:26 So I apologize to you. I was fucked up. Nothing to do with me. And to the lady there, the beautiful lady, I apologize because I fucked up here on the show. Let me apologize right here. I apologize. It's none of my business. I had nothing to do with it. I shouldn't have even went there. So I apologize for that one. All I'm going to ask is that. 137:45 If we… Like right now, I'm like… You understand what I'm saying? So close to what? 137:55 Let's leave it. Apology accepted. No, no, no. Apology accepted. Graciously. Unfortunately, I can't control what people say about me online. And I don't think I interrupted you even when you were saying all those things. You know what I mean? I might have interrupted Altito, but he deserves it. He was on the phone. And he's old. He's over 40 years old. Imagine. Beefing with me. And he's much older than me. You know, he's older than my older sister who used to go to school with him. 138:26 You understand? And my sister earns much more than he ever would. We don't have a lot of time. I'm just saying, she commands salaries of over 5 million a year as an economist. 138:39 He should be competing. He should be competing with her. 15 seconds. 138:42 In the last 15 seconds, look, man, it is what it is. Unfortunately, it had to be brought to the biggest show to be discussed, to be clowned about so that we make money off it. Not let anybody else monetize it, you know? And that's why I allowed it, you know what I mean? But there were some things that you said that were regrettable that I didn't wish you'd gone into because you could have made your point without saying, yeah, those are the things I'm like thinking that you're apologizing for and that's fine. But other than that, Dog, we are here for content, you know. We're slaves to the chillers. And the chillers want that heat. Yeah. 139:13 You understand? And if they want that heat and they give us 500,000 views in an episode for that, then that's what they deserve. 139:19 If they need another reason to bring the smoke, we're here with that slick talk. 139:25 Yeah. 139:28 Why would I need to shoot with a guy who lies about me? The guy who negotiated your 100,000 rand paycheck from Casper in your vest. The guy who brought you onto Mac G's show. How did Mac G find you? From me. You understand? I put you on the Mac G show, dog. And you want to talk shit about me? Because you accepted money to diss AKA when he died. You danced on his grave for money. He accepted money? He accepted money. That's why he talked shit about AKA not being allowed in Durban and whatever. 140:00 Why did he go? 140:01 He said all that shit because he accepted money from the people that were trying to cover up the murder. Do you understand? No, no. And he said, actually, it doesn't matter. That was the gospel. That was Music Pulse. We love you guys. Until next week. Bye. 140:16 Hey, I like that bye shit she says, bro. I love that shit, bro. 140:22 Are you bye? 140:23 Fuck you, nigga.